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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:38 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:38 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:Again, if you don’t want people to quit on you, pay them more. If not, you have to do the work yourself or shut your business down.
Do you produce 60k of value? If not, 40k is overpaying you. The company has to match your social security, carry insurance on you, pay into unemployment for you, etc, etc. How much value do you produce? You are worth about 2/3rds of that.
A lot of these issues would be resolved if it was made a law that job postings show the starting salary.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:39 pm to JudgeHolden
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They hire us back as consultants because we learned shite that is worth something.
You're only in your position because you were born at the perfect time in the perfect place.
Post WW2, the US as the only intact major power in the world with by far the most powerful navy in the world opening up the world to trade and economic activity for the largest generation of people ever born. The Boomer era was the most prosperous era in human history, but not because of boomers per se, but because of the geopolitics.
Yep, the boomer era is officially over and anyone who hangs on to boomers is only delaying the inevitable. Eventually someone is going to have to be allowed to take the lumps the boomers were allowed to take in order to gain the knowledge and influence the boomers have been gatekeeping for decades now.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:40 pm to WavinWilly
I’ll never understand hiring someone, telling them the hours they are expected to work and then getting mad or holding it against them when that’s what they do 
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:41 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Again, if you don’t want people to quit on you, pay them more. If not, you have to do the work yourself or shut your business down.
If you don’t produce at least your salary plus your overhead, I’ll go out of business hiring you.
Losing money on employees is not a sustainable business model.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:43 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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You want people to stop quitting?
Quit all you want. Live that welfare life.
Meanwhile company’s will continue to outsource the jobs. I’m about to retire very comfortably. That’s the reward for working hard.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:43 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Which makes it hilarious when companies deny the outperformer a 10% out of cycle raise and then have to pay 25% more AND take the productivity hit when the outperformer leaves.
Probably doesn't happen as often as you think, unless you're friends with people who claim to be top performers and yet got denied their just due.
I'd ball drag over broken glass for as many top performers as I'd have if self evaluations were fact. As it stands, most are around average or below but think they're top performers, possibly because they lack perspective, possibly because they are performing at their top.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:44 pm to sawtooth
I was expecting it to mean you don’t burn down the building on the way out.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:44 pm to tiggerthetooth
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You're only in your position because you were born at the perfect time in the perfect place.
Kiss my fricking arse.
No one gave me a goddamn thing. If I were born in your generation, I’d have had the same knowledge.
Hell, I’d probably have more. I didn’t have an internet that gives me access to every single body of knowledge on earth.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:45 pm to sawtooth
I’m Gen-Y. Businesses broadly and Corporations specifically do not give a damn about their workers, so why should the workers give a damn about them?
IMO Businesses ought to get their act together and overhaul their pay/benefit packages. Employees see these companies making insane profits and it’s not translating down to those who make that possible: why WOULD they give a shite beyond the minimum.
LOL…
IMO Businesses ought to get their act together and overhaul their pay/benefit packages. Employees see these companies making insane profits and it’s not translating down to those who make that possible: why WOULD they give a shite beyond the minimum.
LOL…
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:46 pm to JudgeHolden
That's why you invest in your employees. Train them well pay them well and they are happy, more productive, and you don't have to hire someone again and again and again to do the same job and your end product becomes shite because you can't keep anyone around and shitty morale makes customers unhappy cause the service goes down and so does the end product. Then boomers are like I have an idea. Let's outsource to India because cheaper labor.
Communication is also how boomers frickup the workplace.
Communication is also how boomers frickup the workplace.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:46 pm to JudgeHolden
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No one gave me a goddamn thing.
Truth! These losers are complaining about working and then turn around and expect people to pay their student loans.
You earn it.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:47 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Communication is also how boomers frickup the workplace.
Do you think I should pay you more than you produce?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:48 pm to sawtooth
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You are paid what you are worth.
No you aren't. We have minimum wage which moves the supply and demand curve vertically.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:48 pm to Warfox
Work/life balance is important to this generation.
Companies give zero fricks about their employees. Not going to get a lot of gung ho out of folks.
Companies give zero fricks about their employees. Not going to get a lot of gung ho out of folks.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:49 pm to JudgeHolden
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If you don’t produce at least your salary plus your overhead, I’ll go out of business hiring you.
Young employees don’t understand this
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:49 pm to upgrayedd
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But, like I said, the corporate model is keep these reliable people where they are and feed them the minimum amount of shite they need to keep being productive so you can transfer all their work to the board's pocket.
I wouldn’t say that’s the corporate model as much as it’s a result of our economy having matured so that these companies aren’t growing substantially and all at the same time like when our economy was growing substantially. But boomers aren’t retiring when they should, so job advancement is stagnant as Gen X and millenials aren’t moving up the ranks like boomers did
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:50 pm to More beer please
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Young employees don’t understand this
Which is where a lot of this dumbassery comes from.
But those who get this will thrive.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:52 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Are they enjoying them if they’re working that much?
They’re not working 7 days a week their entire lives. There’s times of extra work and times of less work. Bank roll with extra work then enjoy it when they’re off
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:52 pm to More beer please
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Young employees don’t understand this
They understand it; how many business owners/managers open up their books to their employees to show that math? More or fewer than the number of owners/managers who lie about not being able to give a raise because they "just can't afford it"?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:53 pm to GRTiger
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This is either very industry specific or very sour grapes.
I've never seen more investment in development and retention than I'm seeing right now in pretty much every organization I work with. It's way more expensive to replace employees than it is to retain and train from within, so your experience is clearly with immature or inefficient organizations. Or you're just in a high turnover industry, which often is due to the skills and education requirements of the employees.
My last firm had 30ish in my specific group. National leadership hooted and hollered about how big bonuses and raises were going to be and how well we were doing.
We got raises smaller than what we had gotten several years ago and my bonus matched the amount I got when I made about 30% less salary when it came to nut cutting time. 11 people left in 90 days and they have hired three remote workers who I've heard aren't working out great.
I also heard a guy interviewed and asked for right at market value for the position. They didn't even make an offer because they said their offer and what he wanted weren't even close.
That shite is retarded. They're literally going to spend 10x to get back to the correct headcount and that's just absolute dollars. It doesn't include opportunity cost from the now almost year of being understaffed
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