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re: Question for white collar baws
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:22 pm to Prodigal Son
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:22 pm to Prodigal Son
I'm probably too old at this point, but I might have bitten when I was younger.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:27 pm to Prodigal Son
I like my white colar job. I enjoy working with my hands too, but I save the blue colar shite for my free time.
Honestly, a decent part of my net worth was created by sweat equity at my homes, rentals and land...but I like my main job to be in the office.
Honestly, a decent part of my net worth was created by sweat equity at my homes, rentals and land...but I like my main job to be in the office.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:28 pm to wesfau
quote:THIS. I never went to college nobody’s fault but my own. We were really poor growing up and I started working at 15 graduated high school. Started scaffolding and done it for must of my life. Now I’m 59 broken down with health problems. I didn’t go to college but I told my son daily “ you don’t want this type of life” He graduated LSU with an engineering degree and has really great job. I’ll hang my hat on that
Once you get a taste of a/c bliss in a hermetically sealed box with some bennies... You're never going to swing a hammer. I'm not saying it's right, it's the answer...just that it's what it is.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:32 pm to BowDownToLSU
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THIS. I never went to college nobody’s fault but my own. We were really poor growing up and I started working at 15 graduated high school. Started scaffolding and done it for must of my life. Now I’m 59 broken down with health problems. I didn’t go to college but I told my son daily “ you don’t want this type of life” He graduated LSU with an engineering degree and has really great job. I’ll hang my hat on that
Very similar with me and my dad. Blue collar work is fine when you’re 20 and the white collar baws are broke and in school. The money catches up around 30 and the body really gets you around 40. Market forces are going to keep it that way until robots and AI take over both roles.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:36 pm to Prodigal Son
The problem is that you can look at median incomes for white collar and blue collar jobs. Median incomes with college degrees and those in the trades. You can see that 95% of the white collar guys running their mouths don’t make anywhere near what they claim they do (but some certainly do), but they put a price on luxury and are claiming they need 200k to sweat when they make 75k a year sitting in an office. Then they pay someone to change their wives oil, to cut their grass, to do everything a man should do, and come out way behind because they don’t know how to work. It’s why their wives frick the plumber and electrician while they are at work. It’s why I see their wives stopping by to visit guys when hubby is on a business trip. Beta males man. You can’t help them. Find you some fresh out of high school young men who didn’t want college and treat them right with pay. You’ll accomplish what you want.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:41 pm to Fratigerguy
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You can see that 95% of the white collar guys running their mouths don’t make anywhere near what they claim they do
And still generally make more than their blue collar counterparts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:39 pm to Prodigal Son
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That is most excellent advice, my friend.
Always welcome, those guys are ones that wont get a shot where I work, we are still almost entirely true blue 4 year college degree to walk in the door.
Which sucks because we take people from India who have no idea what they are doing, but they have a degree.
I know there is a lot of talent in those pools, and I do root for those people who couldn't go the traditional route.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:46 pm to boosiebadazz
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Very similar with me and my dad. Blue collar work is fine when you’re 20 and the white collar baws are broke and in school. The money catches up around 30 and the body really gets you around 40.
Same, my dad's knees were gone by 60.
That said, electrician, plumbing and HVAC, are good trades.
They arent construction.
I do think there are some smart pseudo white collar guys who might take a look and like it.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:26 pm to Prodigal Son
I run lean crews and pay $2k plus a week to those that can keep up. I've got guys making $3k a week including a former COO of a hospital.
You identify good people and you pay them. It's not rocket science.
You identify good people and you pay them. It's not rocket science.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:46 pm to Prodigal Son
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What would it take for you to take a blue collar job?
I’m about 8 months from needing a new job (retirement from white collar). I grew up to factory working blue collar parents and put myself through high school and college on blue collar work. I think I’d be a good candidate so here is my honest answer to you.
Some jobs I’ll never do again—roofing being high on that list, I don’t want the knee pain anymore. I’m open to som jobs (HVAC, electrician etc.) as these would be helpful around our little homestead as well. I won’t need much money as my retirement will be pretty good.
So what would it take? Help me get training and be flexible with hours. I’d do 4 day weeks with10 hour days cause man do I love a 3 day weekend. As others have mentioned, you might look at retired military (even officers).
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:56 am to Fratigerguy
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Fratigerguy
This guy.
You sound bitter. 
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:58 am to Prodigal Son
I’m white collar with some blue collar family background. Grew up working on construction jobs and in the shop as a kid and now am an attorney that partly does construction litigation. Through my job, I can see a big need for competency in the trades and often times think I could drop what I’m doing and kill it being an electrician, plumber, etc. I do well, but I’d definitely be willing to trade some of my stress for lower pay. Long hours have gotten more difficult since I had my kid.
So, as someone who has thought about making the switch, yes, pay is part of the barrier. The bigger thing is I would want to start my own thing or be a co-owner pretty much off the bat because I would bring a lot more to the table than the average worker since they would basically have an in-house lawyer as well. No one is going to do the latter and the former would require me to be an apprentice or go to trade school with a large time barrier (which would create a pretty big pay disparity for a few years). Those would be my main problems.
So, as someone who has thought about making the switch, yes, pay is part of the barrier. The bigger thing is I would want to start my own thing or be a co-owner pretty much off the bat because I would bring a lot more to the table than the average worker since they would basically have an in-house lawyer as well. No one is going to do the latter and the former would require me to be an apprentice or go to trade school with a large time barrier (which would create a pretty big pay disparity for a few years). Those would be my main problems.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:01 am to Prodigal Son
Realistically, I'd have to start at 130k and work with you to set a plan for me to go out on my own in like three years.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:10 am to dat yat
I consider myself brown collar. I deal with alot of bullshite
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:18 am to Prodigal Son
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What would it take for you to take a blue collar job? I’m not talking about digging ditches (solely- but let’s say it’s part of the job description). I mean electrician, plumber, HVAC, etc. I don’t expect doctors, lawyers and engineers to seriously consider this (but some might).
The reason I ask, is because I’m tired of dealing with retards and drug addicts. I want to know what it would take to get more people of at least average intelligence to consider sweating it out with me vs sitting in an air conditioned office.
I will likely agree with most demands, as I believe that a good electrician should make $100k/yr on a 40hr work week. Insurance and 401k as well.
What do we need to do to make this dream a reality? The obvious answer is to cut the workforce and therefore increase demand by making the barrier to entry more difficult. I’ve been on many jobs (cost plus) where we would have 5 guys on a 2- man job, and 10 guys on a 5-man job, so forth and so on. So I know we can do more work with less people- and therefore charge and pay more per man hour. We just have to figure out what to do with the retards and drug addicts.
i have done both....here is what you dont get....
most white collar guys might do that blue collar job for a year(as mingo mentioned, you couldnt pay enough for most good white collar workers) but lets say you could........what you dont get is within a year those white collar guys are taking your job. Within 3 they are opening their own business.
at least good white collar guys
and most good white collar guys like you mentioned are going to
1) make way way more than 100k a year and they would hit ceiling way way too fast
2) white collar guys value the ability to be able to not destroy their body to make a living
3) white collar guys value freedom
you cant provide any of that. the though that you are going to get extremely educated individuals that are making way more than you could ever pay to consider going to work in the heat and cold for less money is laughable.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:21 am to Fratigerguy
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The problem is that you can look at median incomes for white collar and blue collar jobs. Median incomes with college degrees and those in the trades. You can see that 95% of the white collar guys running their mouths don’t make anywhere near what they claim they do (but some certainly do), but they put a price on luxury and are claiming they need 200k to sweat when they make 75k a year sitting in an office. Then they pay someone to change their wives oil, to cut their grass, to do everything a man should do, and come out way behind because they don’t know how to work. It’s why their wives frick the plumber and electrician while they are at work. It’s why I see their wives stopping by to visit guys when hubby is on a business trip. Beta males man. You can’t help them. Find you some fresh out of high school young men who didn’t want college and treat them right with pay. You’ll accomplish what you want.
this is the dumbest shite i have ever heard.
:rotflmao:
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:23 am to Prodigal Son
Back surgery, a hip replacement, and 2 knee replacements
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:24 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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I run lean crews and pay $2k plus a week to those that can keep up. I've got guys making $3k a week including a former COO of a hospital.
You identify good people and you pay them. It's not rocket science.
you have a former coo of a hospital working in the heat for 156k a year?
do you give like a 20% match on 401k and amazing insurance or something?
if not...why the frick would he do that?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:25 am to Prodigal Son
Nothing. Zero. No chance.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:31 am to Prodigal Son
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How do we fix this?
ummm
not trying to be mean...but you dont seem to understand economics very well.
you cant fix it because market forces means you can only charge a certain amount and still get enough business.
lets say you are a plumbing company and you charge 100 an hour for a journeyman and 50 an hour for apprentice.
you have to pay 401k, insurance, taxes, company truck, company gas, plus overhead plus lets say a 20% profit margin from that 150/hour
what you dont get is doctors, lawyers, engineers, CPA, investment bankers etc all make more than 150/hour when you factor in their pay plus benefits. Not all but the kind of guys you are looking for do.
you as the plumbing company cant charge much more than that and remain competitive in the market place. so you are limited.
its like you dont understand market forces.
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