re: Question for the group…population collapse

I'm in the Malthusian camp in the sense that I believe mother nature will take care of this when fossil fuel production goes into decline. Our food system is entirely dependent on it from fertilizers to pesticides to running irrigation to moving it around on trucks.

The US will be fine since we have immigration and more people moving here than people dying. China on the other hand is completely fricked

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There are now 8 billion people just 35 years later, almost all of whom want to live the American consumer lifestyle. The earth cannot sustain its human population at the rate its resources are being used.

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The people who still deny this are todays flat earth believers. It's amazing the levels of stupidity of so many people in a high functioning society. The access to info is almost making things worse not better.

I'm all for whatever makes land cheaper. Give me some solar panels, a 10 acre pond, a few horses, cows, pigs and chickens and I'll be good.

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Wife and I are both well in to the six figures salary wise. No kids, and no plans to. Not in this world.

Lakweesha just popped out her sixth kid and got that EITC rockin.

That is the direction this country is heading.

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People like you make me sick. If this world is so bad why are you sticking around?

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In a few million years…it wont even matter bro.

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In less than 50, I won't give a shite.

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there will actually be a time where only a tiny fraction of the population has to work at all

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Less people needed to work + food shortage = the General population will be used as a food source.

Why else would they work so hard at making the population soft and fat!!!

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The US will be fine since we have immigration and more people moving here than people dying. China on the other hand is completely fricked

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Was watching a podcast with Elon Musk and he thinks population collapse (along with many other scenarios he discusses) is one of the greatest threats to the world. He says that we are shrinking and there are not enough young people to take care of the older people, especially since people are living longer.


In the western/developed world it is 100% true

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China's collapse may have already begun. Europe is also totally screwed with very small younger generations.
The USA is in better shape as the Millennials are a big generation, larger than Gen-X. That said, we are feeling the impact of the Baby Boomers retiring In that there are so many jobs being unfilled.

-According to the U.S. Census, here is the approximate size of each generation in the U.S.:

Based on a total predicted U.S. Population in 2016 of 323,127,513:

Generation Z (Born 1996 to Present) = 86,391,289
Millennials (Born 1977 to 1995) = 83,545,955
Generation X (Born 1965 to 1976) = 49,151,059
Baby Boomers (Born 1946 to 1964) = 74,102,309
Traditionalists (Born 1945 and Before) = 29,936,901

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Do you think population collapse is a real top problem that could lead to the destruction of our world?

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Pretty concerned about White population decline. Everybody else seems to be doing fine on that front.

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Do you think we are growing as a world or is our population going down?

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Growing, but at a slower rate in recent decades. Modernization of economies tends to reduce birthrates, and in recent decades much of the world has started modernizing.

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Would you rather the population increase or decrease?

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I definitely want the White population to increase. We could use the help. Historically, booming White populations are responsible for a lot of critical technological achievement, and you can’t get the critical mass of intelligent people needed to continue that achievement without much higher birth rates than we have now (which are borderline collapse level in Western Europe and slowly unsustainable in Eastern Europe and North America).

I don’t really care about the rest either way, they all seem to be doing fine. I do think it’s pretty perverse that the rest of the world sends African countries so much food and medical aid, with the end result that their birth rates are way higher than what would be sustainable otherwise. But I think attempting to unwind that would result in a titanic humanitarian tragedy, and I don’t want that. So not sure what to do about it, it’s just a perverse situation. The large Asian nations, the Arab world, and Latin America all seem to be doing fine, though I don’t really pay attention to them as much.

EDIT: I see that the results were posted earlier in the thread.

People vastly underestimate how many people the world can support. Theoretically, assuming you scaled production up accordingly, the planet could easily support double its current population.

That doesn’t mean it should. But it could.

On top of that, there’s unquestionably a racial angle to population alarmism. The only people ever inundated with population alarmist propaganda are Whites in North America and Europe. None of these people who ever bitch about overpopulation ever want to stop the subsidization of the entirety of Africa and call you racist when you point it out. They’re silent about the fact that India and China by themselves match the entirety of the White population in the world, yet never take measures not to pollute the shite out of the planet. It’s only ever White people that get asked to cut their numbers to help the world, and I don’t think it’s at all a coincidence that only Whites of all races in the world have borderline-collapse birth rates.

So I tend to cast a very suspicious side eye in the general direction of this alarmism. Sound stewardship of the world is unquestionably good. Reasonable sustainable production is unquestionably good. You don’t have to cull the planet to save it, and the fact that the burden is exclusively placed on Whites to self-cull alarms me way more than any alleged overpopulation ever will.