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Question for the firemen on this board.

Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12689 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:26 pm
How many of you would refuse to enter a burning building if you knew that there were children trapped inside?
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Question for the fireman on this board.


Who’s the fireman on this board?
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12689 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
55641 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Who’s the fireman on this board?


Does spraying OPs mom count?
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12689 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:29 pm to
Nice catch
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11034 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:30 pm to
That's a very loaded question (not a fireman).
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
14999 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:30 pm to
HFD refused to come check out my house when it was full of smoke and my neighbors tree had just been hit by lightning.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
9873 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:32 pm to
How about a firefighter refusing to enter when he or she does not have their fire jacket and helmet?

We all wish the police went into the classroom, but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge.
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
14771 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:33 pm to
I was told by RogerTheShrubber that public service officers had no obligation to protect the public. So suck it Orphanage trying to escape a fire. Find your own way out.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:41 pm to
Weren't they a mile from the police station - where body armor and firepower should have been available? It sounds like they just stood outside and played grab arse.
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
14771 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

We all wish the police went into the classroom, but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge.


We absolutely can. Your description is more like parents trying to enter and the cops stopped them. That I get. But officers who ALL have some type of fire weapon on them? No, they can get fricked. I don’t care if they aren’t legally obligated. There is no reason to even have god damn police if they won’t be there in times of need like this.
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
787 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:46 pm to
It’s a rough question, but when you get a report of persons trapped, you definitely go into a higher gear.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21670 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:55 pm to
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and no body armor

The ones outside putting worried parents on the ground sure had body armor on.

And to answer your question as a former member of the fire service, I'd absolutely go in. We trained all the fricking time for just that scenario.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 1:58 pm
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
17099 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

We all wish the police went into the classroom, but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge.
Well it’s literally their fricking job to protect the public even if they aren’t armed up like a SWAT. Plus they would have had numbers on their side too. If police can’t protect the most innocent and at risk members of our society what are they still good for? And I am a pro-rule of law person
Posted by ChiSaint
Silicon Valley, CA
Member since Feb 2008
372 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:07 pm to
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Well it’s literally their job to protect the fricking public


Sadly, not really. See Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales and subsequent jurisprudence. Police are not legally obligated to intervene or help people. Pretty fricked but they are legally allowed to do nothing in these situations simply bc they don’t want to be put at risk.
Posted by TBass82
Folsom
Member since Feb 2004
2709 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:21 pm to
Risk a lot to save a lot, risk a little to save a little. If we have confirmed someone is inside/trapped, that is priority number 1. Now at some point conditions might reach the point where life is not viable, if the whole house/structure is fully involved then the chance of survival is basically nil. People will succumb to the smoke before they get burned by the flames. But then again there usually isn’t someone shooting at us when we show up. I would like to think that the officers were ready to go in and engage but they might have been told to standby by their command staff. Some commands/chiefs get caught up trying to weigh every pro/con instead of just making a decision, be it right or wrong. There’s an old joke that C.H.A.O.S. stands for “Chief/Command Has Arrived On Scene”. All that being said I have no law enforcement training, and obviously was not on scene during this tragedy. I don’t want to sit here and Monday morning quarterback but in my mind you risk a lot in this situation and you go in and engage the shooter. Yes you are putting your life on the line, but that’s what you took the oath to do.

Just my two cents.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:48 pm to
Pretty sure none of the LEOs on this board would refuse either
Posted by p0845330
Member since Aug 2013
5730 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge


Yes. Yes I can. And I just did. What are you going to do to me, coward?

There were children in there. Children. You just said all you ever needed to say for me to judge YOU. Pussy. That’s right. Cowardly pussy defending the other cowardly pussies.

Wanna talk it out? I’ll give you directions to me.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted by rexorotten
Missouri
Member since Oct 2013
4584 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12689 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:38 pm to
It rubs me the wrong way when people say that you wouldn't be able to say unless you were in the same situation. And I say that if your not going to help me, get out of the way. Strangers run into burning buildings without hearing a scream if they think children or adults could be in a burning building. But watching a cop shove a parent who would gladly go in if they would just step aside is wrong. If my children were in that burning building and it was to late to save them, I might join them in heaven.

And I would like to know why the same people who are for abortion and killing innocent children are suddenly crying for gun control. This is the very reason parents need to be armed.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 4:41 pm
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