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re: Public schools would be so much better if we could still hand out corporal punishment
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
Okay fair enough I misinterpreted what you were saying. But if you can’t kick kids out (which you should) then I should be able to punish them. I make no argument that the spanking will somehow make the child be a better person. By this time most of them are what they are. Shitty humans raised by shitty humans. But if we can’t kick them out at least maybe we can get them to sit down and shut up by paddling them
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Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:41 am to QJenk
I agree it’s easier discoloring the athletes but a lot of the frick ups have already been kicked off or if you pushed them real hard they’d just quit because it’s the easy thing to do. Most of these kids nowadays love finding the easy way out
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:42 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Corporal punishment should be a rarely used form of discipline in my opinion.
Many teachers and administrators are idiots and I don't trust most to decipher the appropriate time, place, and manner for corporal punishment. Corporal punishment is simply not their role.
Many teachers and administrators are idiots and I don't trust most to decipher the appropriate time, place, and manner for corporal punishment. Corporal punishment is simply not their role.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:44 am to GetCocky11
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And you think spanking them will solve that?
Yes
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:44 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Nah. Violence is what poor people do. I need schools to provide skills, not assault my children.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:45 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Yes, of course it would. Teachers should be able to discipline students.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:48 am to whoa
quote:what? Are you saying society is better now than in the 80'-90's when everyone was getting arse whoopins?
I don’t believe hitting children actually solves any problems but rather exacerbates that problem, maybe not immediately buy eventually down the road.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:56 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Spanking them or the threat of it will make them at least sit down and act right so others can learn.
What happens when the wife smarts off? A little pop to the face? That should do the job.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 11:57 am to LSUFanHouston
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Some kids you can't reach. Better to send them home and let them act a fool there, so the other kids who want to learn, can. My wife (no pics) teaches HS and it's taken her a long time to realize that. Some kids are hard to reach, and you should do everything you can to reach them. Other kids don't want to be reached, and there isn't much you can do.
I think that can be the hard thing, differentiating between the two. For many getting expelled just sends them down an even worse path. But I've also seen success stories where after getting kicked out, that was what turned their life around. I had one friend get kicked out but now years later he's a high ranking officer in the Navy. Or another friend after getting kicked out nd locked up couple times before 18, he eventually went to college, got his bachelors, masters, and currently in law school who fills his free time up by traveling and speaking to alternative schools and youth detention centers.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 12:08 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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But if you can’t kick kids out (which you should) then I should be able to punish them.
Agreed...but not by putting your hands on them.
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But if we can’t kick them out at least maybe we can get them to sit down and shut up by paddling them
I'm not sure you actually believe that, do you? If they are that shitty and refuse to respect you, do you really think that you beating them into submission is going to do anything other than foster even more resentment and bad actions?
I feel for you, but I think this is a terrible idea that will have no effect on the kids you're talking about and will only lead to making those who are in the position of instilling this discipline dislike them even more. You think we have issues with school violence now...start beating trouble makers and see who shows up to school looking for trouble with a weapon the following day.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 12:13 pm to Bedhog
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Are you saying society is better now than in the 80'-90's when everyone was getting arse whoopins?
Was society better in the 80's and 90's than it was in the 40's and 50's when everyone was getting whoopings? If not, could it be that this factor has little to do with what moves society?
Posted on 8/15/19 at 12:44 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Isn't this what the APA basically said, that using corporal punishment on children basically teaches kids to use violence to change undesirable behavior? I have no problem using corporal punishment on my own children because I trust myself to only use it for behavior that fits the punishment and I also trust myself to explain to my child the rational need for physical punishment as a last resort. Teachers and school administrators I don't trust as much. I'm not delegating to a school the discipline over my child for serious offenses. Suspend him, give him detention and call me to discipline the child.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 1:41 pm to anc
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I can understand the younger grades, but I have kids in 7th and 4th grade respectively who have never had a male teacher. In fact, the only adult males in their schools are the janitors.
Our elementary school has 3 male teachers. 2 of them teach PE, the third teaches one of the 6 3rd grade classes.
We just started middle school, but my child's math and ELA teachers are both male. The math teacher is also the homeroom teacher. ELA and Math are double blocked, so that's 4 of her 7 class periods a day taught by a male teacher. Science and social studies both have female teachers. Art has a female teacher, but that's only a first semester class, she has PE second semester so may be a male teacher there.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 1:48 pm to QJenk
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Our coach did not get any reports about the football team acting up for the rest of the year.
At the HS my wife teaches at, each week, the head FB coach sends out an e-mail to the entire faculty, asking if any of the students have been acting up in class, not turning in homework, etc.
If your name gets sent to him, you get EC (extra conditioning) for Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I've been out there to watch practice many times. Every week, there's two or three kids after practice getting absolutely abused by the coaches, because they aren't handling their business in class.
Most HS football coaches are a little crazy, so I think they actually enjoy handing out EC.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 1:48 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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but they no all
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:53 pm to Displaced
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It stems from the broken families of 70-90% of the student body.
They say it takes a village to raise a child, but I was a teenager in the 70’s and would not want the village people raising me, although the Navy would be a good option for some of these children.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:33 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Spanking them or the threat of it will make them at least sit down and act right so others can learn
This x1000
Back in the day I was a good student and a good kid.
But at times the little guy with horns in your head tries to push you to doing something that will get you into trouble... thus we had that yard long flat sided paddle in the principals office, you know, the one with the holes drilled in it to reduce wind resistance and increase inertia upon one’s arse.
I hate to think of some of the trouble I would have gotten into if that paddle wasn’t down the hall waiting for some DA to get “learned”.
But I didn’t because it WAS there and was a symbol of the punishment of not acting right. Thus I stayed “within the lines”....mostly
The Bible doesn’t inspire one to beat the living hell out of their kids. It does, however, call for punishment for bad behaviour.... not “Time Outs”
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 4:03 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Back in elementary school I had a teacher that had a paddle with “board of education” on it. And she wasn’t afraid to use it.
Somehow my mom would find out a got “disciplined” at school and I’d get it again at home for being bad at school.
Somehow my mom would find out a got “disciplined” at school and I’d get it again at home for being bad at school.
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