re: Public schools would be so much better if we could still hand out corporal punishment

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I teach high school and by now these kids don’t care if you send them home that’s where they want to be anyway.

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Some kids you can't reach. Better to send them home and let them act a fool there, so the other kids who want to learn, can.

My wife (no pics) teaches HS and it's taken her a long time to realize that. Some kids are hard to reach, and you should do everything you can to reach them. Other kids don't want to be reached, and there isn't much you can do.

So you want to paddle teenage boys?

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yep but we’ve got schools now passing laws saying you can’t expel or suspend students... fricking insane

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Correct I just said that above. big issue in LA.

I believe if schools were allowed to expel/suspend, or have other punishments, you wouldn't need corporal punishment.

Not all kids are the same but I do know for me in high school, the option of a paddling kept my arse in check. I was paddled one time and that was all I needed. And it was in under armour shorts to boot.

Psycho.

Depends on who is giving the paddling. Idk if it was like this at other schools but whoever’s class you acted up in was who gave you the paddling at my HS. So the teacher that gave the worst paddlings had the best behaved classes, go figure lol

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that’s great but most of these kids don’t have parents like you

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I was speaking strictly to the notion of spanking children at home as a primary means of instilling discipline. My post had nothing to do with your suggestion that corporal punishment should be reinstated at school.

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To say stuff like this to teachers makes you come off as a condescending pompous arse

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I think your tone in this thread is largely why most parents, even those who would favor whipping their own children, would not be in favor of someone like you doing it at school. My issue with schools whipping kids would go even further than it does with parents doing it. Not only do I tend to think it's less effective in the long run in terms of helping to create a smart adult who can make the right choices on their own, suggesting public schools, which are clearly having their own issues, ought to be handing out discipline like this makes no sense at all.

You come off as angry, which is precisely the opposite of what most parents who do say they whip their kids suggest they are feeling as they spank their own children. Nothing in your tone suggests any real attempt to make better people...just compliant ones.

Keep in mind...I'm in favor of allowing the school system to remove kids which are causing your trouble, so in no way am I suggested I do not sympathize with you. As a parent, just like as a teacher, there are few things more irritating than finding our there is one or more trouble makers in your child's class monopolizing the teacher's attention and making it impossible for your child to learn. the fact that I don't think you ought to be able to whip them into some form of compliance in no way means I'm not in favor of a solution which removes the problems.

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To say stuff like this to teachers makes you come off as a condescending pompous arse

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Being that you couldn't even discern which post he was responding to, I have to say I'm glad my kids don't have you as a teacher, and if they did I most certainly wouldn't let you lay a finger on them.

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I teach high school and by now these kids don’t care if you send them home that’s where they want to be anyway. Giving them detention does nothing because they just won’t show up. If you don’t care about any of the consequences all the threats in the world are hollow. The one thing they would understand is physical pain but we aren’t allowed to do that

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You're wanting to spank high schoolers? We had corporal punishment in my school and by about the third or fourth grade I didn't have any fear of being paddled at all.

eta- and do y'all not have in-school suspension? That sucked and was an effective deterrent to me.

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Corporal punishment is the laziest way of rearing a child.

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Not sure I'd say lazy, but I would say it's easier.

Talking to kids can be hard, and many adults, especially men, feel that they are above having to sit down and have a conversation with a kid explaining expectations. It's where you get the old, "Because I said so!" stuff from. That's just never an answer my wife and I give for anything. That's not an answer anyone, even a child, will actually respect.

True story...my boys went back to school today, but since I work form home I supervised their summer. About midway through the summer my wife was unhappy with how little productivity they were getting done so she instituted this policy where they needed to be productive until noon and then send her an e-mail checking out explaining what they'd done. My 17 year old who's super compliant went along happily and got tons done. My 12 year old who is more argumentative flipped out last week suggesting it was ruining his summer! I told him to write his mom an e-mail explaining why he felt that way. In an e-mail which would make my posts seem brief, he laid out his beef. One of the most notable things he wrote was that he was glad we didn't just tell he and his brother "because I said so" because it meant he could make his case. Now...his tone was too much, and when I saw it we sat down and I told him it had been disrespectful and I made him re-read it. He agreed, and prompted called his mom to apologize. If we had had the kind of relationship where he got whipped for those kinds of things, he'd have caught a beating and then I'd have had to tell him to apologize. This just seemed so much easier, and his desire to apologize came from an honest place where he knew that he'd behaved badly.


And look...I'm not suggesting this works with toddlers. I'm not saying that when my boys were little I would not swat a hand that was reaching for the stove in order to get them to associate that actions with something bad that could hurt them. You're not going to reason with an 18 month old.