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re: Protocol for Job Offering/Opp to Match question
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:55 pm to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:55 pm to Hog on the Hill
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They already fricked her over once and they will absolutely frick her over again if it's advantageous of them to do so.
I gotcha.
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:55 pm to ShamelessPel
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I think current owner would match. I'm more worried it looks as if she is using a personal connection and their time for a raise when in reality she is seriously considering and excited at the new job at the right price. I also think the owner could take it out on her family member if she doesn't give the opportunity to match at all as she's a tether to his job due to importance.
This situation is entirely fricked up now. An employee of her current company is helping a competitor recruit from her own company, essentially. I think this family person at your GF's current company has mostly fricked herself if that's the case. That situation is way more screwed up, and your GF could find herself without a job if she took the new job, the sister at her old company gets fired for recruiting, then the sister at the new company fires your GF out of spite
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:56 pm to ShamelessPel
My advice is for her not to offer the company to match. Even if they do it won't be a good relationship going forward. If the new job is desirable...just leave and take it.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:58 pm to ThatMakesSense
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It's not tricky. I go where the $$ is, it's up to my direct supervisors to recognize the work I'm doing, or in your case, keep an agreement that was in place for more $$. If they don't, they can suck a fat one and I'll move on to a better gig.
Exactly. No company loyalty. Look out for yourself first, bc any company will gladly screw you if it makes them money. Its business, and you should conduct business the same way
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:03 pm to pjab
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It's a negotiation. "I have another job offer. I would like to stay here for various reasons. However i need $xx to stay." You have to be willing to walk.
Have an upvote. I gave my employer this response a few years ago when I was traveling about 220 days per year. My boss said that he appreciated my honesty and having the opportunity to try to keep a good employee.
Then, he came in under my demands, and I took the other job.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:05 pm to ShamelessPel
Her career will almost definitely do better by jumping to a different position - when you do that you get a better title and a raise. Staying in the same place generally means a retarded salary growth and people who remember you having less authority.
My advice? Definitely take the new opportunity. It might have been different if they were honoring their promises, but they weren't.
My advice? Definitely take the new opportunity. It might have been different if they were honoring their promises, but they weren't.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:12 pm to yellowfin
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I can't think of anything good that would come out of using the job offer to try and strong arm the current company to give her a raise. If it's a good offer take it
This is the right answer. Holding someone over the desk until they sign your new compensation package is no way to keep your current company happy with you.
I've done it and refused the offer to match after I tendered my resignation / two weeks. I told them that if they didn't think I was worth X amount when I asked for it, that there is no real reason they would suddenly think I was, so I just left.
Gained a lot of respect and have had them try to get me back a few times now.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:14 pm to PairofDucks
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I gave my employer this response a few years ago when I was traveling about 220 days per year.
You worked as a traveling male stripper?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:17 pm to ShoeBang
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This is the right answer. Holding someone over the desk until they sign your new compensation package is no way to keep your current company happy with you.
I've done it and refused the offer to match after I tendered my resignation / two weeks. I told them that if they didn't think I was worth X amount when I asked for it, that there is no real reason they would suddenly think I was, so I just left.
Gained a lot of respect and have had them try to get me back a few times now.
sounds like some of you have worked for shitty/small companies or are taking the business side of your relationship with your employer too personal, this(OP) isn't a traumatic or complicated scenario
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:20 pm to 777Tiger
I think it is more of a universal thing, with the exception being a good employer that promotes and gives market value raises. If you look at the CV of people who rise through the ranks they do move around every few years so they don't stop growing, and so they can be promoted in another company, if not within the one for which they presently work.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:20 pm to Hog on the Hill
100% agree with your take.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:23 pm to molsusports
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I think it is more of a universal thing, with the exception being a good employer that promotes and gives market value raises. If you look at the CV of people who rise through the ranks they do move around every few years so they don't stop growing, and so they can be promoted in another company, if not within the one for which they presently work.
yeah, I think a few moves early in a career moves you up the totem pole a little quicker
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:49 pm to 777Tiger
I'm wondering if she should approach her boss properly (prepared with documentation etc) now before continuing negotiations and give him the opportunity to do the right thing. If he is unwilling, then move on to the next job offer. The new job would open up a completely different field for her as well.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:55 pm to ShamelessPel
If she doesn't want any backlash from the current company, she could just inquire about the promise made to her 2 years ago and see what they say (No need to mention the other job if it's not necessary). Depending on the size of the company, they may have just forgotten (happens all the time). If after asking again for the raise she was promised and not getting it again, that should tell you everything you need to know about the current employer. After that, she can put in her two weeks notice and accept the other job without feeling bad about leaving. Once they realize they fricked up by letting her get away they may throw a bunch of money at her to stay. Never know.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:55 pm to ShamelessPel
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I'm wondering if she should approach her boss properly (prepared with documentation etc) now before continuing negotiations and give him the opportunity to do the right thing. If he is unwilling, then move on to the next job offer. The new job would open up a completely different field for her as well.
Seems like someone has been at the same job since they started working a "grown-up" job...as previously stated, at this day and time there is very little loyalty left from an employee to an employer. The person must do what's best for them in the current time. You've already mentioned several Pro's for her in taking the new job. Why is she so hesitant to leave? Comfortable where she is? That's no excuse, especially depending on her age. One must get out of their comfort zone at times to spark individual growth.
TL;DR All signs are there that she should accept the new job and not look back.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:05 pm to BabySam
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Seems like someone has been at the same job since they started working a "grown-up" job...as previously stated, at this day and time there is very little loyalty left from an employee to an employer. The person must do what's best for them in the current time. You've already mentioned several Pro's for her in taking the new job. Why is she so hesitant to leave? Comfortable where she is? That's no excuse, especially depending on her age. One must get out of their comfort zone at times to spark individual growth.
TL;DR All signs are there that she should accept the new job and not look back.
There is one major drawback, which lessens somewhat as I am here. She is such a valuable worker to them that the family member that works here (who might otherwise be on a chopping block with a few others if they ever cut down) is practically untouchable as long as she is here. They could vindictively can the family member if so choosing. This is not a large company...only 25-30 people. Without that tether, I agree with you, this is a no-brainer. But trying to avoid the proverbial middle finger out the door here.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:14 pm to Kujo
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And ps never accept your employers counter if matching.
They now hate you and are just buying time to replace you
sitting in a job where i did just that and am well appreciated.
was in a tight budget situation and my supervisor couldnt get the owners to sign off on a number. i found another offer. spoke to him - owners realized their expectations were out of line and made it right. ive stayed long term and been given several opportunities.
but you need to be aware of your situation and handle it right.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:31 pm to ShamelessPel
Pics?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:40 pm to NoSaint
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sitting in a job where i did just that and am well appreciated.
was in a tight budget situation and my supervisor couldnt get the owners to sign off on a number. i found another offer. spoke to him - owners realized their expectations were out of line and made it right. ive stayed long term and been given several opportunities.
but you need to be aware of your situation and handle it right.
I don't expect hard feelings at all. Replacing her for what she's making now and what she does responsibility wise would be damn near impossible and put a ton of strain on the company. There is certainly leverage. Update in OP. Thanks for all the genuine feedback ladies and gents.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:41 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:Depending on what exactly these factors are, I wouldn't even bring it back to the first company. They've already broken promises for 2 years, and they don't look like they're planning on fulfilling them.
Is it completely disrespectful of her to bring the negotiated salary back to the current owner and give him the opportunity to match it given the opportunity is fairly personal? There are a few other factors in play here that make keeping the current job beneficial for her family
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