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re: Problem with Big Bang Theory and Creationism
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:50 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:50 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
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It is 100% accurate of the King James version of the new testament. If you have evidence to the contrary, I will need more than "because BlackAdam said so"
You made the original claim. It is on you to cite sources which support your statement. And while I agree the King James is a poor translation, there is nothing materially different from any earlier translation.
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:03 pm to reo45
Check this out:
The creator of everything also created time itself, it’s rules, and it’s entire concept.
God wins.... evolutionists and big bangers lose.... as always. (You can’t go against God and expect to win. Cmon guys, get on the train!!!)
The creator of everything also created time itself, it’s rules, and it’s entire concept.
God wins.... evolutionists and big bangers lose.... as always. (You can’t go against God and expect to win. Cmon guys, get on the train!!!)
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:17 pm to RobbBobb
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Notice the word LAW? Nature cannot create its own energy, therefore 'nothing' could have enough energy to explode, plus result in the multitude of stars that exist. And yes, our universe is an isolated system. Whatever 'explosion' happened, was because of an external force (outside our universe) acting upon it. God, as it were
"I don't know. Must have been my god."
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:00 pm to OweO
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This is just my theory, but space is something that has no beginning, it has always been there, it's hard to imagine that because we see everything as having a beginning and end, but in this place that has alway existed, there were areas that allowed stars to be born.
What scientific theory are you basing that on? Is it something you take on faith?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:03 pm to PrivatePublic
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Trick questions. None of this is real. We're all inside a computer.
The symbol for Apple computer is an apple with a missing bite, and memory is measured in bytes. Coincidence, I think not.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:10 pm to RobbBobb
I follow your line, but once again, matter--all elements that make up space and time, along with these two included--came from something, or from nothing?
If it came from something, what was the something, and where did that something come from? If it is God himself and all things are an extension of his essence, does that limit God and make him different than what think of him? Meaning he did not create everything from nothing, but from himself?
And what do we say about dimensions? Do we sense the other dimensions around us? Are we trapped only by a material body that limits our understanding and ability to perceive these dimensions? What exists in other dimensions? Organic material, or something altogether beyond our conscious?
Imagine a 2 dimensional creature existing in a 2 dimensional world construct. A finger appears from the sky and punches a hole in the ground. The 2 dimensional creature will only see a 2 dimensional finger and then a circle where the finger went through. That circle looks 2 dimensional and the creature never even perceives a depth dimension. It is literally impossible, but still sees the circular hole in the ground.
If it came from something, what was the something, and where did that something come from? If it is God himself and all things are an extension of his essence, does that limit God and make him different than what think of him? Meaning he did not create everything from nothing, but from himself?
And what do we say about dimensions? Do we sense the other dimensions around us? Are we trapped only by a material body that limits our understanding and ability to perceive these dimensions? What exists in other dimensions? Organic material, or something altogether beyond our conscious?
Imagine a 2 dimensional creature existing in a 2 dimensional world construct. A finger appears from the sky and punches a hole in the ground. The 2 dimensional creature will only see a 2 dimensional finger and then a circle where the finger went through. That circle looks 2 dimensional and the creature never even perceives a depth dimension. It is literally impossible, but still sees the circular hole in the ground.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:11 pm to reo45
Penny is too hot be be with that nerd.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't know. It can't be god.
-DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:20 pm to CivilTiger83
Don't put words in my mouth. A lack of belief doesn't equal an absolute claim.
This is your problem. You don't use logic. Either because it's inconvenient for running your mouth, or simply because you don't know how. It doesn't matter which is true.
This is your problem. You don't use logic. Either because it's inconvenient for running your mouth, or simply because you don't know how. It doesn't matter which is true.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:23 pm to Kentucker
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The Universe is so large that we don't currently know of a way to accurately determine its dimensions and shape.
Ok I've been thinking/reading and this doesn't seem to be the case. We are very confident that it is flat. See here
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ecent measurements (c. 2001) by a number of ground-based and balloon-based experiments, including MAT/TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima, and DASI, have shown that the brightest spots are about 1 degree across. Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy prior to the WMAP results. WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision. We now know (as of 2013) that the universe is flat with only a 0.4% margin of error. This suggests that the Universe is infinite in extent; however, since the Universe has a finite age, we can only observe a finite volume of the Universe. All we can truly conclude is that the Universe is much larger than the volume we can directly observe.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:56 pm to DavidTheGnome
You’re at the end so I’m just responding to you for convenience.
I believe that the Bible saying God created the Universe with his “breath” doesn’t sound that drastically different from the Big Bang.
Who knows? Evolution and a very old universe dominated by physical laws doesn’t deter my faith in the least.
I believe that the Bible saying God created the Universe with his “breath” doesn’t sound that drastically different from the Big Bang.
Who knows? Evolution and a very old universe dominated by physical laws doesn’t deter my faith in the least.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:57 pm to reo45
https://www.exactlywhatistime.com/physics-of-time/time-and-the-big-bang/
Creation we have some old books maybe 400o years old written by men who wanted to control/subjugate the people.
Creation we have some old books maybe 400o years old written by men who wanted to control/subjugate the people.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:13 pm to reo45
Oh my, nevermind
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:24 pm to alajones
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You’re at the end so I’m just responding to you for convenience.
I believe that the Bible saying God created the Universe with his “breath” doesn’t sound that drastically different from the Big Bang.
Who knows? Evolution and a very old universe dominated by physical laws doesn’t deter my faith in the least.
Well said, I agree
Posted on 9/17/18 at 6:00 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Ok I've been thinking/reading and this doesn't seem to be the case. We are very confident that it is flat.
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We now know (as of 2013) that the universe is flat with only a 0.4% margin of error.
Any margin of error negates a claim in this regard. Since the estimate for the size of the Universe is 10 to the 23 power times the size of the observable universe, or 100 billion trillion times what we can see, we can't possibly know without much more precise measurements than those for which we are currently capable.
It's fine to use any of the models in theories, I suppose, because the great size of the Universe limits us to exploration of our tiny spot (calling the observable Universe a tiny spot bends my mind) anyway.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 6:28 pm to Kentucker
I mean I agree with the unfathomable size of the universe and the unknowns that by default come with that, but since I’m just a layman with a curiosity I’ll defer to the physicists when they verified earlier physicists and they’re in agreement with such a high level of confidence.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 6:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Lighten up Displaced. I took the same exact phrasing you used to caricature those who believe in a higher power. Don't take it so harshly.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 7:05 pm to CivilTiger83
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exact phrasing
Wrong. I don't fill in the gaps.
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Don't take it so harshly.
The only way you could have taken my comments this way is if you were offended by what I said. Sorry I was mean to you. Friends?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 7:10 pm to reo45
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or from nothing?
our own science says that is impossible
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If it came from something, what was the something, and where did that something come from? If it is God himself and all things are an extension of his essence, does that limit God and make him different than what think of him? Meaning he did not create everything from nothing, but from himself?
That's the problem with the Bible. It clearly states that's its a handbook for our existence on this orb. And because it doesn't answer all the universal questions, then it has to be a myth
You don't stumble across an owners manual to a TV, and conclude that there is no way it could work because the ability to mine the necessary materials nor how to generate a signal isnt covered in there
Posted on 9/17/18 at 7:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I wish this thread wasn’t anchored, I was enjoying the conversation.
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