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re: Problem with Big Bang Theory and Creationism
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:47 pm to Wtodd
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:47 pm to Wtodd
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I have no problem with it; God said BOOM and everything happened
I also have no problem with the theories and thoughts on the subject because it entices one to ponder their origins and best represent what may have happened. Im not as concerned with the God aspect but rather the nothing became something we see today aspect from light, radiation, to all material mass in space--hell even space itself.
I have yet to see anyone give a prudent idea of how nothing became something.
One poster brought up the idea that there was never "nothing", but always something, seeming to do away with the thought of anything ever being created to begin with, but rather always being and then becoming what we see today.
So his theory stands only if one destroys the idea of a creator and lies on the idea of creation being a fallacy: that there has always been something and the need for a creator is only a human assumption.
But, how does one even accept there has always been something before T=0?? Where did the something come from?
Where did something come from and how did it materialize?
That is a insurmountable question to answer. Even energy is something. It takes something to have potential energy.
So lets us go with the idea a creator created all we see before us...
How did he make something from nothing? Boggles the mind.
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:48 pm to Kentucker
Hmm I’ll have to ponder that for a bit
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:51 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
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My motivation is not driven by anti-religion, I simply seek the truth in matters. And for me, truth requires verifiable and substantiated evidence.
Most people don't think this way.
They think they're supposed to believe a 2000 year old book full of inaccuracies and attempts to explain the world before modern science was invented...or else they go to hell.
It's comical when you look at it objectively.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:55 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
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the crucifixion of Jesus as historical fact and states that based on the criterion of embarrassment Christians would not have invented the painful death of their leader.[75]The criterion of embarrassment is also used to argue in favor of the historicity of the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist as it is a story which the early Christian Church would have never wanted to invent.[76][77][78] Based on this criterion, given that John baptised for the remission of sins, and Jesus was viewed as without sin, the invention of this story would have served no purpose, and would have been an embarrassment given that it positioned John above Jesus.[76][78][79]
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Amy-Jill Levine has summarized the situation by stating that "there is a consensus of sorts on the basic outline of Jesus' life" in that most scholars agree that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, and over a period of one to three years debated Jewish authorities on the subject of God, gathered followers, and was crucified by Roman prefect Pontius Pilate who officiated 26–36 AD.[80] There is much in dispute as to his previous life, childhood, family and place of residence, of which the canonical gospels are almost completely silent.[81][82][83]
Scholars attribute varying levels of certainty to other episodes. Some assume that there are eight elements about Jesus and his followers that can be viewed as historical facts, namely:[13][84]
Jesus was a Galilean Jew.
His activities were confined to Galilee and Judea.
He was baptized by John the Baptist.
He called disciples.
He had a controversy at the Temple.
Jesus was crucified by the Romans near Jerusalem.[13][84]
After his death his disciples continued.
Some of his disciples were persecuted.[13][84]
Scholarly agreement on this extended list is not universal.[13][84][85]
The Mishnah (c. 200) may refer to Jesus and reflect the early Jewish traditions of portraying Jesus as a sorcerer or magician.[86][87][88][89] Other references to Jesus and his execution exist in the Talmud, but they aim to discredit his actions, not deny his existence.[86][90]
Christ Myth Theory. Long story short not too much steam
To condense it into the tl;dr.
Scholars that debate and study this stuff agree Jesus Christ existed.
Mostly due to a cult (don't get your panties in a twist, Christians were a cult before a religion, it how things start) would not want to start with their founder not being top dog, The Baptism, or executed in a horrible fashion, The Crucifixion.
So those 2 events happened. What really happened before and between. We don't know.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:56 pm to Starchild
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But who made this plate of spaghetti, and moreover, where did they get the ingredients? Is there a cosmic grocer that has better fruits, veggies, all food stuffs than we can even fathom? What if someone made a gumbo (roux first) with said ingredients?
These are the questions.
Those are hard questions.
God did it.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:57 pm to Kentucker
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IT has surprised researchers by showing how “pocket universes,” of which ours is one, happen. What the mechanism is can’t even be described yet, of course, but it’s thrilling evidence that we’re on the right track in the understanding of where we are in existence.
Please continue. I have also heard about this concept of pocket universes as if small bangs happened and possibly infinitestimal small bangs happens all around us.
Lihht seems to be younger at places we believe should be older and vice versa as if the idea of direction (north, south, east, west;up, down, right, left) is only a human element and not space itself.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:00 pm to LeauxCountryTigah
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why in the holy hell can we not find one single piece of archaeological evidence of one single confirmed character of the bible
Well, for one there is quite a bit of archeological evidence for the stuff the Bible says that King David built, and past his time.
There is, however, little evidence to support any of the Bible stories before that.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:02 pm to reo45
Earth is the creation of time. This is just my theory, but space is something that has no beginning, it has always been there, it's hard to imagine that because we see everything as having a beginning and end, but in this place that has alway existed, there were areas that allowed stars to be born. Planets are created from the dust and gasses produced by stars. Then, in the case of Earth, because of where it was created, it was able to produce an environment that created things that were able to come together to produce more complex creations.
And just like how space has no beginning, there is no point where it begins and ends. And there is no telling what is out there. But we are nothing more than a complex creation of organisms that all came together.
And just like how space has no beginning, there is no point where it begins and ends. And there is no telling what is out there. But we are nothing more than a complex creation of organisms that all came together.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:09 pm to OweO
I like your theory as well as any others.
How many dimensions outside the 4 dimensions we see do you think there are? Ive heard up to 12.
Also look into the Voynich Manuscript.
How many dimensions outside the 4 dimensions we see do you think there are? Ive heard up to 12.
Also look into the Voynich Manuscript.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:12 pm to reo45
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Please continue.
Alan Guth originated Inflation Theory in 1979 but the concept of pocket universes, and other surprises, has only been around for a couple-three years. The video that I linked is an excellent beginning point for anyone who wants to explore IT. Straight from the horse’s mouth. The horse being Alan Guth, who authored IT.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:13 pm to AUCE05
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Outside of a book a few guys created, there is zero evidence Jesus existed.
Assuming you are referring to the Gospels and the New Testament... this is not correct...
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:16 pm to Kentucker
Yeah. My mind goes on tangents when I try and think of size. It is exciting to think of multiple universes and how big everything is. Assuming we are just part of a larger system, we could be the size of dark matter to a greater space. Scary.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:24 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:30 pm to reo45
Sometimes the very best somethings come from nothing
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:34 pm to Kentucker
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As humans we are conditioned to think in terms of cause and effect. While it seems logical to look for a cause of the inflation and expansion of our Universe, Alan Guth's Inflation Theory will help you think of cosmology as more of a continuation than a cause and its effect.
Alan Guth himself disagrees with you.
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Also now very important are observations of the cosmic background radiation—radiation that we believe is the afterglow of the big bang’s explosion itself.
Scientific American
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The basic idea behind inflation is that a repulsive form of gravity caused the universe to expand.
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That means that if we follow our universe backwards in time towards the beginning using inflationary theory, we see that it started from something much smaller than you ever could have imagined in the context of conventional cosmology without inflation.
edge.org
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:51 pm to reo45
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So lets us go with the idea a creator created all we see before us...
How did he make something from nothing? Boggles the mind.
"Something" and "nothing" are mental concepts unique to the human mind. All that we can see and all that we know is from the space-time continuum in which we exist. We do not know what is beyond 4 dimensional space and time.
The Creator exists beyond space and time, and is likely an intelligent entity composed of massive amounts of energy. Simply put, the Creator willed into existence the matter that we can see and that we are made of. The key is time. Many of the subatomic particles that form atoms are virtual particles that exist for a short time (fractions of a nanosecond) then fade away. These fermions and bosuns "create" the matter that we see. This is how the Creator converted the energy that we cannot see into matter that we can see. The simultaneous creation of matter (space) and time billions of our years ago is what we call The Big Bang (or inflation and expansion) that resulted in the Universe in which we live.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:09 pm to WildManGoose
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Alan Guth himself disagrees with you.
That’s a stretch. He’s describing the beginning of our Universe in popular lay terms. He’s not describing inflation.
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Also now very important are observations of the cosmic background radiation—radiation that we believe is the afterglow of the big bang’s explosion itself.
You must be a literalist thinker. He goes on to say:
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Certainly the details of inflation we don’t know yet. I think that it’s very convincing that the basic mechanism of inflation is correct. But I don’t think people necessarily regard it as proven.
His Theory explains the origins of spacetime, the apparent flatness of the Universe and the absence of monopoles but it’s all unproven. It’s a solid, much-respected theory but there hasn’t been any observable evidence yet.
If you watch the video that I linked you’ll see that he thinks of existence as a constant expansion of conventional physics into spacetime that is concurrent with inflation.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:16 pm to reo45
God the father is a fictional character.
There was never such a person before time and space. He is trotted out to provide comfort to people who can't be comfortable with Mystery.
There was never such a person before time and space. He is trotted out to provide comfort to people who can't be comfortable with Mystery.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:20 pm to mofungoo
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The Creator exists beyond space and time
And before that God existed in the clouds, before we could see beyond the clouds.
God just moves to the next area we can’t see or explain. Once we know more about the Big Bang and origin of the universe he will move to the next frontier
All that means is it requires 100% faith to believe. Some people are ok with that, some require evidence that they will never find. Trying to make all of these historical fact claims and evidence of a beginning at the Big Bang is pointless, we will never have the evidence to PROVE god exists.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:22 pm to reo45
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There was nothing, then it exploded
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There was nothing
Correct
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then it exploded
Just think about that for a minute, there was nothing, but somehow it exploded? Yeah, didn't happen. Cuz this:
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the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant. This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
Notice the word LAW? Nature cannot create its own energy, therefore 'nothing' could have enough energy to explode, plus result in the multitude of stars that exist. And yes, our universe is an isolated system. Whatever 'explosion' happened, was because of an external force (outside our universe) acting upon it. God, as it were
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