re: Problem with Big Bang Theory and Creationism

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There can’t be nothing without something, and vice versa. “This” has always been and always will be.

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What do you mean by this? How old is the earth? Before the earth formed during the Big Bang, by what mechanism did the Big Bang start?

To say that it is has just always been is to take something on faith for which there is no evidence to support your claim... you are making just as much of a faith claim as the wacko Christian or Buddhist.

One of the most brilliant atheist philosophers of the previous generation (Antony Flew - passed away in 2010) who studied cosmology reversed his belief in later years that there was no higher force responsible for the Big Bang. He went where the evidence pointed him as far as the required fine tuning necessary for the formation of the Big Bang. And he was not in any sense a Christian.

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But how does something come from nothing? If God (Creator) made it, what did he make it from? How did Oxygen, Nitrogen, Carbon, etc... come to be? Is it a part of his essence? Is all things we see just an extension of his being? To return one day to its source? And what is god? If spirit...

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You don't have to understand how God is outside of time to formulate that he exists outside of time and space. If he made matter, and time is shown to be a dimension of matter (theory of relativity), then it holds he has an ability we do not comprehend.

It's like staring at the following complex woodcarving...



In order to argue that the wood carving above had a creator (man or machine designed by a man), do I need to prove how the creator came into existence? Of course not!

Would logic/science dictate that this carving has no creator?

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Every base element that makes up all matter came from a source yet before all things we see it was nothing.

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Deep thought of the day, if time has no end, why does it have a beginning?

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This is why I am moreso agnostic than atheist. I don't necessarily believe in God in the religious sense, but it seems unreasonable to discount the possibility of an all knowing creator.

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TheIndulger, I think that is a reasonable take, recognizing that the atheist who says there can be no higher power is taking as much of a leap of faith as the person who believes that there is a higher power without the ability to physically see that higher power. Those who believe in a higher power recognize that it takes a leap of faith, but the pure atheist denies that they believe on faith, not evidence.

Kudos to you for actually taking time to think on these things.

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There was no explosion. Big Bang is a misnomer for what actually took place. The Big Inflation followed by the Big Expansion are more descriptive.

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Inflation occurred very very early (like within the first few seconds after) but was still after the initial Big Bang. After inflation the expansion we are currently in set in.

Edit: shows the timeline, may be outdated I’m not sure




Edit 2: more on cosmic inflation LINK

In physical cosmology, cosmic inflation, cosmological inflation, or just inflation, is a theory of exponential expansion of space in the early universe. The inflationary epoch lasted from 10-36 seconds after the conjectured Big Bang singularity to sometime between 10-33 and 10-32 seconds after the singularity. Following the inflationary period, the universe continues to expand, but at a less rapid rate.[1]

Inflation theory was first developed in 1979 by theoretical physicist Alan Guth at Cornell University. It was developed further in the early 1980s. It explains the origin of the large-scale structure of the cosmos. Quantum fluctuations in the microscopic inflationary region, magnified to cosmic size, become the seeds for the growth of structure in the Universe (see galaxy formation and evolution and structure formation).[2] Many physicists also believe that inflation explains why the universe appears to be the same in all directions (isotropic), why the cosmic microwave background radiation is distributed evenly, why the universe is flat, and why no magnetic monopoles have been observed.

The detailed particle physics mechanism responsible for inflation is unknown. The basic inflationary paradigm is accepted by most physicists, as a number of inflation model predictions have been confirmed by observation;[3] however, a substantial minority of scientists dissent from this position.[4][5][6] The hypothetical field thought to be responsible for inflation is called the inflaton.[7]

Well, if you study Inflation Theory you'll see that inflation was the inappropriately named Big Bang. By the way, take a closer look at the times associated with the events in your post's pic. For example, it shows inflation happening in 10 to the minus 36 seconds. Let's just say that's far less than a second.

The term Big Bang is a lay expression. It's not descriptive of what actually took place.

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Problem with Big Bang Theory and Creationism

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I have no problem with it; God said BOOM and everything happened

Yeah I think most confuse the two and people just say Big Bang (which I guess could be a descriptor for all of those initial events). But the "bang" at T=0 was a different thing than inflation which happened a microsecond later.

I should have clarified my statement better, the books of kings obviously provides historical documentation of persons and events from the kingdom of Israel and other historical figures exist such as Rameses for example. When I say "Biblical Characters" I am talking about central characters of the biblical stories. Show me the evidence on the existence of Jesus, his Apostles, Abraham, Moses, Noah, David, Joshua, Isiah, Mary or Joseph. How about the story of Exodus? Egyptians kept excellent historical documentation...yet nothing. My motivation is not driven by anti-religion, I simply seek the truth in matters. And for me, truth requires verifiable and substantiated evidence. If Jesus or others I mentioned actually existed and were such prominent historical figures, why are there only small amounts of highly disputed circumstantial evidence when there is overwhelming and undeniable evidence of many other historical figures of the same time periods. Like the Kings of Israel, Pharaohs of Egypt, Caesars of Rome? And not just high ranking kings and emperors but poets, philosophers, inventors. politicians, mathematicians, physicians, architects and engineers from more than 1,000 B.C. Yet nothing but second hand stories on the King of Kings, the Son of God, the Light of the World, the Messiah. If what minimal, circumstantial evidence found so far is sufficient for you...then I have some wonderful beach front property in Nebraska that I would like to talk to you about.

Just curious, how much research have you done?