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re: Pornhub Will Show Its 75 Million Daily Visitors Why Net Neutrality Matters

Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:52 pm to
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Net Neutrality is for whiny pu$$ies who don't understand basic economics. You want free shite? Move to Venezuela

You clearly have no idea what net neutrality is.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21688 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:30 pm to
ajit and donald can both go suck a frick.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21688 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:34 pm to
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This isn't capitalism. It's flat out ignorance.


Hey, you just found trump's re-election campaign slogan!
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37734 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:38 pm to
you should try getting a girlfriend. Then neither Pronhub nor Trump would be so important to you.
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2939 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:42 pm to
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If I pay an ISP to provide me with a 50Gb/s connection it should not matter how I use that bandwidth.


You are paying for bandwidth as used when defined by speed, you are not paying for bandwidth in relation to the bandwidth taken up in the light spectrum to stream Netflix across fiber optics.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 4:42 pm
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2939 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:59 pm to
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I hope that Entergy decides tonight that you shouldn't watch tv or have AC and cuts your power due to "usage." Oh wait, THEY CANT JUST BECAUSE.


No, they charge you by your amount of usage. So this is exactly the same as what the ISPs are trying to go to. With electricity, water and gas you pay for a "pipeline" (whether the medium is pipe or wire) with a limited transfer capacity, and they charge you for how many units you use and no one complains.

Yet when the ISPs do it everyone decides to compare the 2 and make it so the ISPs are evil for wanting the same set up that other utilities have. It's a complete apples to oranges scenario.

Another thing, there is only so much bandwidth (as in frequency, not as in upload and download speed) for data to travel through the "pipelines" (copper and fiber cable in this case) and it's being filled up on networks by services that pay for no impact they have on networks. When the Internet was nothing but pictures and text it was one thing but now with streaming media, it's a totally different animal.

There is good and bad to both sides of the arguments, either way once their is an official decision prices are going up on either Netflix style services or the services of your ISP.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31794 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:59 pm to
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Yes, but the usps, FedEx, and ups don't decide to delay all of amazons packages for a week while allowing Walmart packages to ship a day early.



This is the best analogy I've seen to explain my understanding of it.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28163 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:04 pm to
Terrible analogy in that business work directly with UPS and other shippers to improving their shipping times and can pay for infrastructure upgrades to support this. Net neutrality means everyone is treated the same and the companies can't even work together to improve their own speeds with the ISP despite the fact that data is not all the same. Video streaming vs gaming vs texts, emails, etc should be treated differently.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:57 pm to
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The ones leading the charge for net neutrality probably shouldn't be people who have a website that is built off of hosting stolen porn they had no part in creating.


I'm not sure that is how the model works. I think it's more like pornhub acts as the advertising branch of the companies that actually produce the content. That's why you will often only find partial and old videos on pornhub and sites like that. It is to entice people who want the whole videos with the latest stars to sign up for subscriptions.

All those porn production studios and sites are mostly owned by just a handful of companies. I'm pretty sure that they are mostly all just working together with the free streaming sites.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 5:58 pm
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:03 pm to
How much do the ISP's actually pay for the infrastructure? How much is subsidized? Genuine question, but I was under the impression that a lot of the cable infrastructure for distribution of the internet was heavily subsidized by the government. Then the ISP's take advantage of government protected monopolies. They are kind of like private utilities that by design do not have much competition or in some markets any competition.

The better analogy from what I understand would be if UPS and Fed Ex tried to regulate the delivery of goods on roads that were largely paid for by the public and didn't allow any commerce using the publicly funded infrastructure to go through anyone except them.

EDIT: There is this weird grey area because these ISP's are somewhere between a publicly funded utility and privately held profit seeking enterprises. It makes for really sketchy business. This is why companies like Comcast are known for being shite and are still able to get away with it because they have so much market power.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted by OvertheDwayneBowe
Member since Sep 2016
3463 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:36 pm to
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How much do the ISP's actually pay for the infrastructure? How much is subsidized? Genuine question, but I was under the impression that a lot of the cable infrastructure for distribution of the internet was heavily subsidized by the government. Then the ISP's take advantage of government protected monopolies. They are kind of like private utilities that by design do not have much competition or in some markets any competition.

The better analogy from what I understand would be if UPS and Fed Ex tried to regulate the delivery of goods on roads that were largely paid for by the public and didn't allow any commerce using the publicly funded infrastructure to go through anyone except them.

EDIT: There is this weird grey area because these ISP's are somewhere between a publicly funded utility and privately held profit seeking enterprises. It makes for really sketchy business. This is why companies like Comcast are known for being shite and are still able to get away with it because they have so much market power.


Cox and New Orleans have a "non-exclusive franchise" relationship for Cable TV, which also skirts that line between public and private. But they must have a relationship because providers need access to city rights of way and utility power poles.
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
11277 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:42 pm to
My god you guys are such pussies. OH NO MY WIFE CANT FIND OUT IM WHACKING OFF. Really asshats. I don't know what to say
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:13 pm to
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My god you guys are such pussies. OH NO MY WIFE CANT FIND OUT IM WHACKING OFF. Really asshats. I don't know what to say


If you could read, that's not what this is about.
Posted by White Bear
AT WORK
Member since Jul 2014
17247 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:03 pm to
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Net neutrality "sounds" good, but forcing ISPs to go hat in hand to the feds to bless their service models and innovations will most certainly decrease innovation and competition, increase costs, and slow the expansion of bandwidth, which is the real problem. IBD on net neutrality Overreach is guaranteed. For example, the Clean Water Act sounds great, but it's allowing the Corps of Engineers (the levee folks) to fine a farmer millions for tilling his land. Temporary puddles are navigable waters, a plow is a "point source," dirt is a pollutant, and by inadvertently plowing a few areas of his field that sometimes hold water (he avoided most such areas), he has polluted a wetland. Lucky for other farmers, he's got the millions it takes to fight the feds. Duarte's farm Even the LA Times recognizes the overreach. If the Corps of Engineers will go this far, imagine what the FCC will do with power to tinker with ISPs. LA Times article


listen up liberal pro-gov figs.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:11 pm to
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They are about to let corporate telecoms frick with our internet, when they know the populace overwhelmingly disapproves of it. This isn't capitalism. It's flat out ignorance.


Its worse than ignorance.. it's intentional.

How the frick can anyone disagree with the concept of the internet being a telecommunication service? It's literally nothing more than the transportation of information
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120149 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:12 pm to
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I cancelled my Netflix subscription because if the comments their CEO made admit net neutrality.


I am seriously thinking about cancelling my Netflix subscription. Sure, they provide TV shows, like the office, etc you can watch without the commercials and all, but I think any movie or series produced by Netflix is crap, for the most part.

The other day, for some reason a movie titled "Catfish" caught my attention. It got my attention early into it, but after I guess.. Maybe the first 15 mins, it was complete crap. Orange is the New Black is the one thing I continue to watch, but even that. I can do without.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69521 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:16 pm to
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The other day, for some reason a movie titled "Catfish" caught my attention. It got my attention early into it, but after I guess.. Maybe the first 15 mins, it was complete crap


Are you serious?
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69521 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:25 pm to
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No, they charge you by your amount of usage. So this is exactly the same as what the ISPs are trying to go to


I have absolutely no problem with ISPs charging you for usage like water and electricity do. I really don't have a problem with data caps that you have to pay for either. If you use more than anyone else you should pay for it.

But that's not why they want most parts of net neutrality gone. Comcast and Time Warner are a perfect example of the problems with allowing ISPs to pick and choose what traffic gets which speeds. They can tweek the market for their own agendas.

Imagine if entergy new Orleans had the ability to buy a light bulb manufacturing plant and then regulated all of those light bulbs to full power and all other light bulbs to dim barely any power at all. And further, it got to pick and choose what new light bulb companies worked on its network at all. You can't allow that to happen.

In new Orleans, Cox cable controls the speed and "amount" of internet into your house depending on what you pay for. What travels across that network should absolutely not be any of their concern. Just like what devices use power is none of entergy's concern.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:29 pm to
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It's ludicrous to think that people would not pay extra for net neutrality over being throttled.



People who have access to extra providers. The vast majority of us are stuck with the monopolies. If fricking Google couldn't get into the internet business (while investing heavily into it) then why would you expect a start-up to succeed?
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69521 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:31 pm to
Dont waste your time with that guy. Baldona and Robb think someone can just go build an entire ISP network from the ground up and give it away for free to undercutt the current companies. They're insane.
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