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Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:33 am to Roaad
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and you would NEVER confuse my ancestors diet with that of poor blacks in the same regions
Let's see a list of what your ancestors ate compared to contemporary blacks.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:34 am to Centinel
quote:citation needed
Yes.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:34 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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how are they doing this?
By having bad service and never having your food ready on time
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:35 am to uway
Cabbage and boiled meats were the nasty arse highlights
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:35 am to Caplewood
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ahh yes black people invented Salt N Pepa
Duh
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 9:36 am
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:35 am to Roaad
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It was made by West Africans. Not saying the recipe came with them, that is an unknown.
Wait...your argument is that because some west Africans cooked fried chicken, (as did many many people in the south, especially poor.) they invented it?
That would like me getting a box of devils food cake mix and saying that I invented devil’s food cake
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:36 am to fr33manator
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The cuisine of the poor in the south was the same, black or white.
The notion that blacks had a different cuisine came from Yankees.
That’s interesting that the Scots invented fried chicken. I did not know that
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:37 am to DavidTheGnome
Somewhere, way, way off in the distance, Al Copeland is laughing so hard he's got hiccups.
Even though we know he lost the company, his biscuits live on. Little did he know that brioche buns would be the next thing
Even though we know he lost the company, his biscuits live on. Little did he know that brioche buns would be the next thing
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:38 am to fr33manator
quote:I am saying that they invented what we know as fried chicken.
Wait...your argument is that because some west Africans cooked fried chicken, (as did many many people in the south, especially poor.) they invented it?
What you quoted is my saying we don't know if they did it in West Africa before the slave trade, because we don't have good sources. We know they invented it, just not sure if it was here, or there.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:39 am to Roaad
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I am saying that they invented what we know as fried chicken.
Which is patently false.
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What you quoted is my saying we don't know if they did it in West Africa before the slave trade, because we don't have good sources. We know they invented it, just not sure if it was here, or there.
There is verifiable, certifiable, first hand recorded evidence of battered and fried chicken (which included spices) in the British isles prior to the arrival of the west Africans. They used others basic recipes, and their white contemporaries were cooking the same thing.
With slaves came spices from west Africa which people, black and white, incorporated into their recipe, and it may have been in the original recipe anyway, but was just more scarce.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 9:44 am
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:39 am to fr33manator
quote:based on. . .
Which is patently false.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:40 am to fr33manator
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Like most foods, it was an amalgam of the people that lived there in that time period with influences from different culinary traditions each contributing to the creation of the dish, much like gumbo
This is what every food historian every food historian already says ad nauseum. The tradition of cooking a chicken in oil has antecedents in West Africa, with seasonings involving ginger and paprika, among other ingredients. I don't think the Scots had access to ginger, though they may have.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:40 am to Breauxsif
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That’s interesting that the Scots invented fried chicken. I did not know that
That's because Joos wrote your school textbooks.
Stay woke.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:40 am to fr33manator
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:42 am to Roaad
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based on. . .
The fact seasoned and battered fried chicken existed in the british isles prior to coming over to the colonies?
You keep changing your argument. First it was fried chicken. Then it was battered fried chicken. Then it was seasoned and battered fried chicken. Now it's seasoned and battered fried chicken using specific west african seasoning methods.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:47 am to crazy4lsu
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The tradition of cooking a chicken in oil has antecedents in West Africa, with seasonings involving ginger and paprika, among other ingredients. I don't think the Scots had access to ginger, though they may have.
Some spices may have come from west Africa and been used and became more available in that period, but evidence of historical fried chicken exists, and it isn’t from west Africa.
While it’s possible it could have occurred both places, there isn’t evidence for your claim
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:50 am to fr33manator
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Which is patently false.
It isn't patently false. Saying that modern fried chicken is a mixture of Scottish and West African cuisines is the opinion of food historians. The original Scottish recipe doesn't use paprika or ginger, while the West Africa recipe does. The Scottish recipe also called for lard rather than oil. Here is the original Scottish recipe, I think.
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Cut the chickens into quarters, and marinade them in the juice of lemons and verjuice, or with vinegar, fair, clove, pepper, chibols: or a bay leaf or two : Let them he in this marinade for the fpaee of three hours, then having made a fort of clear pafle or batter with floui%white wine and the yolks of three eggs, drop the chickens into it, then fry them in lard, and ferve them up in the form of a pyramid, with fry’d parfley and flices of lemon.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:51 am to crazy4lsu
That's....fried chicken.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 9:52 am to fr33manator
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While it’s possible it could have occurred both places, there isn’t evidence for your claim
Yes there is. I've already pointed out that frying chickens in palm oil existed in West Africa before colonial interaction. Why you ignored it is confusing. Again, there are Akan myths dating to the 11th century which involve chickens cooked in oil. The West African recipe undoubtedly makes up a part of the modern recipe, which is not even debated among historians.
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