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re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:23 pm to Thracken13
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:23 pm to Thracken13
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but, again as has been stated repeatedly - SHE WAS NOT THE PILOT IN CONTROL OF THE frickING PLANE
I didn't say she was. Was she not a "pilot"? I'm talking about her main job as the second seat pilot...navigating, communicating, etc.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:24 pm to slidingstop
Hearing some reports that tail heater on a Learjet 60 is notoriously ineffective in icing situations. Cannot confirm.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:26 pm to slidingstop
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given she wasn't actually flying the plane
Yes, we have established that.
But part of the role of co-pilot is monitoring evolving weather conditions and assisting in re-routing the aircraft when necessary. You know, to the person actually flying the thing.
But hey, I understand that's inconvenient to acknowledge.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:30 pm to JudgeHolden
I don't think it's fair to blame the copilot based on what we know. She seemed about as calm as a person could be in that situation. I do think it's fair to question whether things would've been different with someone else in the seat discussing options with the pilot both before and after they ended up in the mess. Given her age and experience, I doubt she was able to add much to that conversation. Even if she could, would a 50 year old pilot even listen to her?
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:43 pm to WonPercent
China AI hit job
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Was she not a "pilot"? I'm talking about her main job as the second seat pilot...navigating, communicating, etc.
She seemed to be communicating pretty well until the plane started its death dive. I completely understand being critical of her texting. But I'm still trying to understand how the absence of that specific action would've kept the PIC from flying into a situation that led to their deaths.
The PIC is ultimay responsible for the plane. The copilot is not. Unless she did something nefarious to sabotage the plane, I'm not seeing where she deserves the criticism for this specific incidence. IOW, had she not texted at that exact moment, would things have turned out differently?
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:53 pm to DrrTiger
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But part of the role of co-pilot is monitoring evolving weather conditions and assisting in re-routing the aircraft when necessary. You know, to the person actually flying the thing.
But hey, I understand that's inconvenient to acknowledge.
I understand it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge that you have no evidence that she wasn't doing any of those things.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:57 pm to slidingstop
Not that there’s a silver lining or not, by slamming head first saved lots of lives and destruction if had been more a horizontal crash in that area.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:57 pm to slidingstop
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The PIC is ultimay responsible for the plane. The copilot is not. Unless she did something nefarious to sabotage the plane, I'm not seeing where she deserves the criticism for this specific incidence. IOW, had she not texted at that exact moment, would things have turned out differently?
We won't know for sure until the NTSB report comes out in 2 to 3 years, but both pilots have responsibilities for navigation. I have a hard time believing that both pilots will not be found at fault. The Federal Regulations are that the pilots were to steer clear of the severe weather by 20 nautical miles. This did not happen, and the question is why. Too many unknowns at this point to answer that question, but unless mechanical malfunction is a reason they were not able to avoid the weather, both of their judgments will be in play for the NTSB on this one.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:57 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Best guess is that the pilot was trying to push through the weather to avoid a gas stop / delay due to pressure from company management and/or the clients or simply wanting to get back home sooner.
I know the thread will disappear if you guys need to blame any of them instead of the female co-pilot though so carry on.
This post was edited on 11/3/26 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/3/26 at 4:59 pm to facher08
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I understand it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge that you have no evidence that she wasn't doing any of those things.
Right, no evidence at all.
I suppose except for the minor detail that the aircraft flew directly into a storm cell and then torpedoed into the ground, killing everyone.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 5:02 pm to DrrTiger
I watched the whole special by a pilot on this thing, and I don’t know why everybody keeps attacking this woman copilot. This is a fricking freak accident, and for whatever reason, the 50-year-old male pilot for the plane into this area his wings iced he tried to climb to get the ice off the wings, but was unsuccessful and doing such it went into a death spiral and broke apart. For any of your pallets out there they’re at 35,000 feet when ice began to accumulate on the wings which I understand is a very rare situation.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 5:10 pm to TutHillTiger
There’s been showers in that area all week blowing up. I believe that would be a concern before take off in case they had to make a detour around such storms. So they had enough fuel to get to Freeport?
Posted on 11/3/26 at 5:31 pm to DrrTiger
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I suppose except for the minor detail that the aircraft flew directly into a storm cell and then torpedoed into the ground, killing everyone.
And if you bothered to read any of the posts and links describing the conditions, and how the plane's radar works, you'd know it wasn't as simple as there is a storm ahead and they "flew directly into" it. There isn't even a consensus on how the storm that brought them down formed. But by all means, carry on with your narrative.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 5:42 pm to slidingstop
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I'll give her a pass for her panicked tone as they were nosediving into the ground at high speed. I'd probably be a little stressed too seconds before my own death.
Pussification of america right here
Posted on 11/3/26 at 5:43 pm to Tyga Woods
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For all we know, she could’ve suggested an alternate route and the PIC ignored her.
We need Nathan Fielder.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 5:47 pm to WonPercent
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I do think it's fair to question whether things would've been different with someone else in the seat discussing options with the pilot both before and after they ended up in the mess. Given her age and experience, I doubt she was able to add much to that conversation. Even if she could, would a 50 year old pilot even listen to her?
This is the entire concept of Season 2 of The Rehearsal.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 6:10 pm to slidingstop
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Unless she did something nefarious to sabotage the plane, I'm not seeing where she deserves the criticism for this specific incidence. IOW, had she not texted at that exact moment, would things have turned out differently?
Why does blame have to be binary here? They are both to blame and to what degree is what's being discussed. Do we know he's the only person she texted? Does taking ten seconds to text someone, in that situation that I described on the last page, seem like the best use of her time...especially considering the outcome?
Posted on 11/3/26 at 6:20 pm to Chucktown_Badger
I wish I could just read the emails of the NTSB investigators instead of this stupid back and forth where we know basically nothing but the last words of a young pilot.
Posted on 11/3/26 at 6:43 pm to jlovel7
Posting without comment. I can’t speak to the validity of this. Has anyone seen another similar source?
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