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re: Plane crash in Lafayette
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:52 pm to 777Tiger
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:52 pm to 777Tiger
quote:
have investigated crashes before, I’ll go out on a limb and say that fuel contamination will not be a factor
I agree. I have had contaminated fuel once at a FBO on a cross country. Very weird to have 2 fuel filter bypass indications at once. However, I think you have a better chance of contamination than 2 engine failures at the same exact times.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:02 pm to 777Tiger
quote:All of this.
task overloading, startle factor, experience, lots of things to consider
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:22 pm to hottub
confident insecure human
What?
What?
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:25 pm to hottub
Another consideration if there was an engine failure. Many times after an engine failure, the pilot, in their haste to recover from the yawing/rolling motion will retard both throttles to stop the airplane from rolling.
If you have sufficient altitude, this can work until you get your shite together and stabilize the airplane, then advance the throttle on the running engine to maintain altitude.
If you have sufficient altitude, this can work until you get your shite together and stabilize the airplane, then advance the throttle on the running engine to maintain altitude.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:43 pm to bhtigerfan
I was struggling understanding the flight trajectory since I was wrong about the takeoff heading
So they said he almost clipped a apartment complex
I assumed the complex they were talking about was the retreat apts which are SE of the post office. That is the view where most of the initial pics, vids and witness statements came from.
Apparently the apts they were talking about he almost hit are bayou oaks apartments NW of the Post Office
So he took off SW, went out over the city, turned S and crashed on a SE heading
I thought he took off NE turned SE, tried to line up and crashed across the USPO parking lot from SE to NW ending up in the field. Apparently he hit in the field (NW to SE) and part of the plane carried into the parking lot and struck the cars setting them on fire
For a small plane heading out to Atlanta taking off that direction seems odd to me. There was heavy fog, so minimal wind, why not send him out over the swamp towards Breaux Bridge? Every time I flew out of Lafayette we land over 90 and we take off over the swamp. They did it the opposite that morning. If they sent him out NE, and he had trouble he would have been flying straight out and had many open fields to choose from in that direction after clearing I10
Just seems weird to me if there are is no wind factor why send small planes out over the city?
BTW this pic shows the flight termination on the east side of Verot School, which is incorrect
Only time I can remember taking off and going out over the city was when I caught a HELO there going offshore and we followed US90 to the coast. I can only think of one time we took off going West in a plane and that was a private plane on a windy day.
So they said he almost clipped a apartment complex
I assumed the complex they were talking about was the retreat apts which are SE of the post office. That is the view where most of the initial pics, vids and witness statements came from.
Apparently the apts they were talking about he almost hit are bayou oaks apartments NW of the Post Office
So he took off SW, went out over the city, turned S and crashed on a SE heading
I thought he took off NE turned SE, tried to line up and crashed across the USPO parking lot from SE to NW ending up in the field. Apparently he hit in the field (NW to SE) and part of the plane carried into the parking lot and struck the cars setting them on fire
For a small plane heading out to Atlanta taking off that direction seems odd to me. There was heavy fog, so minimal wind, why not send him out over the swamp towards Breaux Bridge? Every time I flew out of Lafayette we land over 90 and we take off over the swamp. They did it the opposite that morning. If they sent him out NE, and he had trouble he would have been flying straight out and had many open fields to choose from in that direction after clearing I10
Just seems weird to me if there are is no wind factor why send small planes out over the city?
BTW this pic shows the flight termination on the east side of Verot School, which is incorrect

Only time I can remember taking off and going out over the city was when I caught a HELO there going offshore and we followed US90 to the coast. I can only think of one time we took off going West in a plane and that was a private plane on a windy day.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:22 pm to supatigah
quote:
I assumed the complex they were talking about was the retreat apts which are SE of the post office. That is the view where most of the initial pics, vids and witness statements came from.
Apparently the apts they were talking about he almost hit are bayou oaks apartments NW of the Post Office
I believe your initial assumption of the crash location was correct. It appears the flight tracker you are viewing doesn’t show the final turn back to the post office. The plane barely cleared the apartments South of verot school road and took out that power line but went under the power lines across the street, took out a couple small trees, and went through parking lot striking at least the vehicle of Danielle Britt (sp?) then ending up in the empty field.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:28 pm to ashy larry
Ok I understand now
Thanks
Thanks

Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:30 pm to supatigah
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BTW this pic shows the flight termination on the east side of Verot School, which is incorrect
I remember something in that guy's video a few pages back where he said this was the position, altitude and speed indication from four or five pings of an automated system that reports very basic information every few seconds. ADSB, maybe. Anyway, his point is that this isn't the exact flight path and it doesn't end at impact. It's just the handful of reports the plane made before crash plotted with straight lines between the datapoints.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:32 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Yeah I was misreading it
The final desperate turn was probably too low to be picked up by radar
So sad
The final desperate turn was probably too low to be picked up by radar
So sad

Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:42 pm to supatigah
quote:
The final desperate turn was probably too low to be picked up by radar
I believe you are correct. It will interesting to see the cause. We may know something soon if the prelim report has any answers. According to the link I posted, they already know the plane was intact when it hit the ground and the flaps were up so they weren’t attempting a landing. Maybe they will be able to confirm or rule out engine failure in the prelim report.
quote:
The preliminary report will be ready in about 2 weeks; the factual report about 12 months.
The final report could be ready within 12 to 18 months, assuming investigators are able to get the information they need.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:52 pm to ashy larry
We’ll see
We may never know
We may never know

Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:01 am to ashy larry
As a pilot myself, if I had to guess what happened:
1. Spatial disorientation with loss of control and uncontrolled flight into terrain.
2. Engine failure with loss of control and uncontrolled flight into terrain.
1. Spatial disorientation with loss of control and uncontrolled flight into terrain.
2. Engine failure with loss of control and uncontrolled flight into terrain.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:11 am to bhtigerfan
From what I have read it seems like the pilot may have been able to save lives and the plane if he had not hit the power lines. How much do you think the power lines played into the final results of the crash?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:10 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Your post reads as if the pilot didn’t try. It appears that he tried, but we may never know.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:35 am to Gris Gris
Didn't mean it to sound like it was the pilot's fault. I just wanted to know what effect the power lines had on the plane. I am sure the pilot was just trying to land the plane no matter what.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:51 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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How much do you think the power lines played into the final results of the crash?
Probably a whole lot. Kinda like how much hitting a guard rail would play into your vehicle crash. Nothing airborne does well when it hits power lines. Especially aircraft.
To your point about the pilot. Some here are gonna be awfully upset when/if the NTSB blames pilot error for the crash. They do so in about 80% of their investigations. Doesn’t mean he did anything wrong. Maybe just didn’t do something right.
But that’s why they’re called accidents and not intentional.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:01 am to supatigah
quote:
I thought he took off NE turned SE, tried to line up and crashed across the USPO parking lot from SE to NW ending up in the field. Apparently he hit in the field (NW to SE) and part of the plane carried into the parking lot and struck the cars setting them on fire
No this is incorrect. The apartments the plane barely cleared were The Retreat apartment on the SE side of post office. Hit the power lines on SE side and can’t in just under power lines on NW side all while taking out trees. You can clearly see the direction the debris is going.
Plane then came down in post office parking lot and continued into field
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:04 am to HarveyBanger
So I’m just curious. Are pilots insured for this type thing (I’m assuming yes). The survivors will have tons of medical bills.
So sad — I know a niece of the pilot. My heart hurts for all involved.
So sad — I know a niece of the pilot. My heart hurts for all involved.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:31 am to Gris Gris
It would make sense for him to try to land it in the general area where it went down. The rectangle of Feu Follet to Pinhhook and Verot School almost to K Saloom is reasonably open once you get past the Wal Mart (except for the businesses right on pinhook)and is not residential(the other side of Feu Follet is) ; and while some of it is an office park, it's a relatively sparse office park and there is a lot of open space.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:20 am to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:
How much do you think the power lines played into the final results of the crash?
Disclaimer: I know very little about aviation.
With that out of the way, it appears hitting the power lines was a result of the plane going down, not the cause of the plane going down. The power lines were standard power lines you see on any street about 20-25' high. The plane hit these lines and then hit trees on the other side of the street. If the planes missed these lines, it would have likely still hit the trees and/or power lines on the other side of the street b/c it was descending. I've also seen where witnesses said the plane had just leveled off from a turn when it hit the lines. Also, the NTSB said the flaps were up which they say indicates the pilot was not trying to land.
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