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re: Plane crash in Lafayette

Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:52 pm to
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have investigated crashes before, I’ll go out on a limb and say that fuel contamination will not be a factor


I agree. I have had contaminated fuel once at a FBO on a cross country. Very weird to have 2 fuel filter bypass indications at once. However, I think you have a better chance of contamination than 2 engine failures at the same exact times.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:02 pm to
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task overloading, startle factor, experience, lots of things to consider
All of this.
Posted by FlyinTiger
Mandeville
Member since Feb 2004
511 posts
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:22 pm to
confident insecure human

What?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:25 pm to
Another consideration if there was an engine failure. Many times after an engine failure, the pilot, in their haste to recover from the yawing/rolling motion will retard both throttles to stop the airplane from rolling.

If you have sufficient altitude, this can work until you get your shite together and stabilize the airplane, then advance the throttle on the running engine to maintain altitude.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:43 pm to
I was struggling understanding the flight trajectory since I was wrong about the takeoff heading

So they said he almost clipped a apartment complex

I assumed the complex they were talking about was the retreat apts which are SE of the post office. That is the view where most of the initial pics, vids and witness statements came from.

Apparently the apts they were talking about he almost hit are bayou oaks apartments NW of the Post Office

So he took off SW, went out over the city, turned S and crashed on a SE heading

I thought he took off NE turned SE, tried to line up and crashed across the USPO parking lot from SE to NW ending up in the field. Apparently he hit in the field (NW to SE) and part of the plane carried into the parking lot and struck the cars setting them on fire

For a small plane heading out to Atlanta taking off that direction seems odd to me. There was heavy fog, so minimal wind, why not send him out over the swamp towards Breaux Bridge? Every time I flew out of Lafayette we land over 90 and we take off over the swamp. They did it the opposite that morning. If they sent him out NE, and he had trouble he would have been flying straight out and had many open fields to choose from in that direction after clearing I10

Just seems weird to me if there are is no wind factor why send small planes out over the city?

BTW this pic shows the flight termination on the east side of Verot School, which is incorrect



Only time I can remember taking off and going out over the city was when I caught a HELO there going offshore and we followed US90 to the coast. I can only think of one time we took off going West in a plane and that was a private plane on a windy day.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:22 pm to
quote:


I assumed the complex they were talking about was the retreat apts which are SE of the post office. That is the view where most of the initial pics, vids and witness statements came from.

Apparently the apts they were talking about he almost hit are bayou oaks apartments NW of the Post Office


I believe your initial assumption of the crash location was correct. It appears the flight tracker you are viewing doesn’t show the final turn back to the post office. The plane barely cleared the apartments South of verot school road and took out that power line but went under the power lines across the street, took out a couple small trees, and went through parking lot striking at least the vehicle of Danielle Britt (sp?) then ending up in the empty field.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:33 pm
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:28 pm to
Ok I understand now
Thanks
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:30 pm to
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BTW this pic shows the flight termination on the east side of Verot School, which is incorrect

I remember something in that guy's video a few pages back where he said this was the position, altitude and speed indication from four or five pings of an automated system that reports very basic information every few seconds. ADSB, maybe. Anyway, his point is that this isn't the exact flight path and it doesn't end at impact. It's just the handful of reports the plane made before crash plotted with straight lines between the datapoints.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:32 pm
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:32 pm to
Yeah I was misreading it

The final desperate turn was probably too low to be picked up by radar

So sad
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:42 pm to
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The final desperate turn was probably too low to be picked up by radar

I believe you are correct. It will interesting to see the cause. We may know something soon if the prelim report has any answers. According to the link I posted, they already know the plane was intact when it hit the ground and the flaps were up so they weren’t attempting a landing. Maybe they will be able to confirm or rule out engine failure in the prelim report.

quote:

The preliminary report will be ready in about 2 weeks; the factual report about 12 months.
The final report could be ready within 12 to 18 months, assuming investigators are able to get the information they need.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:52 pm to
We’ll see
We may never know
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:01 am to
As a pilot myself, if I had to guess what happened:

1. Spatial disorientation with loss of control and uncontrolled flight into terrain.

2. Engine failure with loss of control and uncontrolled flight into terrain.
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:11 am to
From what I have read it seems like the pilot may have been able to save lives and the plane if he had not hit the power lines. How much do you think the power lines played into the final results of the crash?
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:10 am to
Your post reads as if the pilot didn’t try. It appears that he tried, but we may never know.
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:35 am to
Didn't mean it to sound like it was the pilot's fault. I just wanted to know what effect the power lines had on the plane. I am sure the pilot was just trying to land the plane no matter what.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36949 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 4:51 am to
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How much do you think the power lines played into the final results of the crash?



Probably a whole lot. Kinda like how much hitting a guard rail would play into your vehicle crash. Nothing airborne does well when it hits power lines. Especially aircraft.

To your point about the pilot. Some here are gonna be awfully upset when/if the NTSB blames pilot error for the crash. They do so in about 80% of their investigations. Doesn’t mean he did anything wrong. Maybe just didn’t do something right.

But that’s why they’re called accidents and not intentional.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 5:01 am to
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I thought he took off NE turned SE, tried to line up and crashed across the USPO parking lot from SE to NW ending up in the field. Apparently he hit in the field (NW to SE) and part of the plane carried into the parking lot and struck the cars setting them on fire


No this is incorrect. The apartments the plane barely cleared were The Retreat apartment on the SE side of post office. Hit the power lines on SE side and can’t in just under power lines on NW side all while taking out trees. You can clearly see the direction the debris is going.

Plane then came down in post office parking lot and continued into field
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
39238 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:04 am to
So I’m just curious. Are pilots insured for this type thing (I’m assuming yes). The survivors will have tons of medical bills.

So sad — I know a niece of the pilot. My heart hurts for all involved.
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6245 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:31 am to
It would make sense for him to try to land it in the general area where it went down. The rectangle of Feu Follet to Pinhhook and Verot School almost to K Saloom is reasonably open once you get past the Wal Mart (except for the businesses right on pinhook)and is not residential(the other side of Feu Follet is) ; and while some of it is an office park, it's a relatively sparse office park and there is a lot of open space.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:20 am to
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How much do you think the power lines played into the final results of the crash?


Disclaimer: I know very little about aviation.

With that out of the way, it appears hitting the power lines was a result of the plane going down, not the cause of the plane going down. The power lines were standard power lines you see on any street about 20-25' high. The plane hit these lines and then hit trees on the other side of the street. If the planes missed these lines, it would have likely still hit the trees and/or power lines on the other side of the street b/c it was descending. I've also seen where witnesses said the plane had just leveled off from a turn when it hit the lines. Also, the NTSB said the flaps were up which they say indicates the pilot was not trying to land.
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