re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac

No 50/50 about it. Air Traffic had resolved the conflict, however the helo failed to see and avoid. Day one VFR stuff. Massive failure by the helo crew.

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ETA: Downvoters prove this gentleman right about our lack of empathy.

Most of these investigation reports I’ve seen point to multiple items. Unless it’s a single pilot that runs himself into the ground, if there’s multiple humans involved I’m sure the reports will mention everything that could have been done.

I’m sure ATC could have done more. I’m sure both helicopter pilots could have done more. I’m sure there’s something to blame on the Army and their aircraft maintenance and training program.

I’m not sure we’re going to get an official ‘gotchya’ like some feel is due.

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The tower is required to provide the current altimeter setting at the time of initial contact and should be repeated back the pilot. This is a standard procedure.

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I’m aware, but it means nothing if the crew doesn’t update their setting.

ATC here

There is nothing out of protocol by asking the helo to maintain visual separation if they report traffic in sight. Pilot applied visual separation is used all day everyday.

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Did they though? Why because they handed their duty off to the helo crew and basically wiped their hands of it

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ATC didn’t “wipe their hands of it”

Once the helicopter says they have the aircraft in sight that is them accepting the VFR flight separation. It is on the helicopter crew to not fly into anything at that point.

ATC isn’t there to hold their hand.

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I’m aware, but it means nothing if the crew doesn’t update their setting

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Thanks. Was about to post the same. Not sure why the downposts.

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That post on its own doesn't make you a terrible person, your entire posting history makes you a terrible person. You have long proven his assessment of you to be accurate. I'll throw in 'scum', 'troll', 'incel', 'attention whore', and 'self-loathing homosexual.'

The negative reaction to your post might possibly be due to your implication that the scale of loss, in your opinion, is based upon the attractiveness of the deceased. An immature, emotionally stunted, and callous opinion to hold, much less express publicly. But completely on-brand for you, due to your lack of social intelligence and previously highlighted status as human garbage.

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While everyone spent 3 days speculating and theorizing about why the name wasn’t released, they all forgot that real human people are all involved in this tragedy.

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No one did this. The other soldiers and many of the passengers and crew had their names released along with a little bit about them.

I have never heard of a name being withheld after family was notified. The army created the speculation and theorizing.

I also think the family did it to delete her social media accounts, but that story may have changed today as I haven’t been able to pay attention today. Allegedly as soon as family gave the OK all were gone but LinkedIn which seemed to not have been used in past several years. It got taken down as soon as someone found it and posted it to social media.

If it is still a true account of family’s actions I don’t have a problem with her family wanting to remove or clean up her social media and any other online presence they can access, but I think all families of real human beings involved in tragedies should be given that option.

EDIT: Davis Winkie was a huge Tim Walz defender, and a critic of Texas using its national guard to defend its border with Mexico due to Biden not doing it. Not sure he is best source of information on anyone.

At the very least and relatively speaking, if a plane is cleared for 20,000 ft and is observed at 30,000 you think they wouldn’t hear about it? Before requesting VFR.