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re: Pilots of the OT; does this sound strange?
Posted on 1/1/20 at 7:13 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 1/1/20 at 7:13 pm to Errerrerrwere
Sounds almost identical to some pilot union action to try to force the company to agree to terms.
Americans pilots did it a few years ago.
They also did it in the late 90s and almost got fricked royally by the courts if not for the benevolence of Crandall.
777Tiger could probably tell you all about it.
Americans pilots did it a few years ago.
They also did it in the late 90s and almost got fricked royally by the courts if not for the benevolence of Crandall.
777Tiger could probably tell you all about it.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 7:14 pm
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Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:00 pm to SM6
I’d like to hear that story!
UPDATE: My plane just landed and the one that I was on earlier is landing approx 5 mins afterwards according to the app.
Probably some pissed off Sugar Bowl fans calling in about the flight.
UPDATE: My plane just landed and the one that I was on earlier is landing approx 5 mins afterwards according to the app.
Probably some pissed off Sugar Bowl fans calling in about the flight.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 8:55 pm to Errerrerrwere
Just terrible luck.
Any list of things can have a pilot reject an aircraft, but the list is there for a reason. Maintenance issues are everywhere.
It is rare for an aircraft to be 100% when flying everyday. Something can be OTS but the crew can still fly, some things are critical and some are not.
As to timing out, I'd sure want my pilots well-rested. Thankfully, crew rest is important these days.
Sounds like you hit the holy grail of bad luck there. Strange, yes. All those events happening individually everyday, all the time.
Any list of things can have a pilot reject an aircraft, but the list is there for a reason. Maintenance issues are everywhere.
It is rare for an aircraft to be 100% when flying everyday. Something can be OTS but the crew can still fly, some things are critical and some are not.
As to timing out, I'd sure want my pilots well-rested. Thankfully, crew rest is important these days.
Sounds like you hit the holy grail of bad luck there. Strange, yes. All those events happening individually everyday, all the time.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:05 pm to Junky
Could be worse.
You could be headed back from Beijing on a Delta bird to DTW and right as you back off the gate the APU goes out. Delta says it will just be an hour or two and We can’t deplane because China won’t let us off the plane because we would have to go through customs. Plane won’t have air for those two hours but it shouldn’t be to bad as it’s on the low 30’s outside.
8 hours later China Easter gets the replacement part to them finally.
2 hours later the stewardesses are almost out of hours and don’t want to fly. Pilots and lead stewardess are ready to get home so they lock themselves in the cockpit.
At 12 hrs sitting in a sweat box, the plane is fixed and China, Russia, and America agree to let the crew fly us to Seattle and change to a fresh crew.
After 24 hrs of sitting in this freaking plane we finally touchdown in Detroit.
You could be headed back from Beijing on a Delta bird to DTW and right as you back off the gate the APU goes out. Delta says it will just be an hour or two and We can’t deplane because China won’t let us off the plane because we would have to go through customs. Plane won’t have air for those two hours but it shouldn’t be to bad as it’s on the low 30’s outside.
8 hours later China Easter gets the replacement part to them finally.
2 hours later the stewardesses are almost out of hours and don’t want to fly. Pilots and lead stewardess are ready to get home so they lock themselves in the cockpit.
At 12 hrs sitting in a sweat box, the plane is fixed and China, Russia, and America agree to let the crew fly us to Seattle and change to a fresh crew.
After 24 hrs of sitting in this freaking plane we finally touchdown in Detroit.
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:41 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Pilot comes and an tells us there is now a maintenance issue. An hour later maintenance fixed the issue and we are now waiting on the maintenance paperwork before backing out.
Without knowing all the details(second crew a reserve call out, a reschedule, etc), I will say that the scheduling software that companies use now for crews gnats arse almost everything. It is very possible that a 1 hour Mx delay puts the crew over their FAR limits.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 9:57 pm to Errerrerrwere
Sounds very American Airlines
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:36 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:They ran out of their duty time, not their flying time.
Right when we receive the maintenance paperwork; the pilot and 2 officer have run out of their flying time.
Which means they had been on duty since early morning, so I seriously doubt alcohol had anything to do with it.
If the captain writes up a maintenance issue and it can’t be deferred, the plane can’t be dispatched until the issue is fixed/repaired/replaced. Many things can be deferred, but there are a number of “no go” items that will ground a plane.
What was the airline and flight number.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 10:43 pm to bhtigerfan
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What was the airline and flight number.
Looks like UA1131
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:08 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Happens all the time.
I've been on 1400+ commercial flights, and it has never happened to me. (rejecting the plane, that is. I have had a lengthy delay when a crew arrived late and couldn't fly my plane because it would push them past their hours)
This post was edited on 1/1/20 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:28 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Right when we receive the maintenance paperwork; the pilot and 2 officer have run out of their flying time.
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Flight now cancelled.
I was on a flight from OKC to IAH once that was diverted to Austin because of weather. It was a commuter jet. About an hour after diverting to Austin the pilots announced they had run out of flying time. Sometime around two in the morning Continental flew an aircraft in picked us up and flew us into IAH. I think I got to the hotel around four. I made it to my morning meeting at 7:30.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:42 pm to Errerrerrwere
How full was the flight ?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:08 am to Errerrerrwere
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Let me know if this was bogus or possibly bogus. Thanks.
Always remember the golden rule of flying next time your delayed. It’s better to be on the ground WISHING you were flying up there, rather than flying up there WISHING you were on the ground.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 12:11 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:27 am to Errerrerrwere
It happens. Not often but it doesn’t appear to extraordinary.
The pilot shortage is real where I work and rerouting of pilots into extremely long duty days is becoming more common, so I anticipate crews timing out to be the norm instead of the exception in the future, especially when weather or maintenance are involved.
The pilot shortage is real where I work and rerouting of pilots into extremely long duty days is becoming more common, so I anticipate crews timing out to be the norm instead of the exception in the future, especially when weather or maintenance are involved.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:37 am to Errerrerrwere
You might have gotten lucky...
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:07 am to JCinBAMA
Apparently OP would rather fly a broken plane with tired pilots.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:15 am to Errerrerrwere
Sounds like the pilot knew his time was about ended and did not want to be somewhere else in a few hours when his time was up. He worked the system to the detriment of a hundred others. .. That is the conspiracy theorist opinion though.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:40 am to eatpie
Pretty sure pilots are paid by their time in the air. So if he didn’t fly, he didn’t get paid. So yes, the conspiracy theory is he didn’t want to get paid that day...
Yes OP pilots like many professions have a maximum amount of hours they can work. If they are delayed at some point in the day they last flight could put them over a hard cap.
Yes OP pilots like many professions have a maximum amount of hours they can work. If they are delayed at some point in the day they last flight could put them over a hard cap.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:06 am to Errerrerrwere
Happens more often than you think. They get a 12-14 hour duty day typically and the captain can refuse to operate any aircraft regardless of pressure from ops.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:17 am to bhtigerfan
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What was the airline and flight number.
UA 1131
Btw I never thought the guy was drunk.
Just thought he didn’t want to fly the rest of the day.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 9:21 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:28 am to baldona
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Apparently OP would rather fly a broken plane with tired pilots.
Well, that’s not true. It’s a new year and a new day. Just checked my email and have a $450 travel voucher from UA!
Guess they are still in the holiday spirit.
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