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Perception Debate: Are there more children of felons or non-felons?
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:40 pm
The simple question is, are there more child under 18 in the US today who are the product of at least one felon parent than two non-felon parents?
What do you believe and why do you believe it?
What would you need to see to change whatever perception you have?
What do you believe and why do you believe it?
What would you need to see to change whatever perception you have?
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:44 pm to Kujo
I imagine a lot of children will never know if they have a felon for a father.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:46 pm to Kujo
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The simple question is, are there more child under 18 in the US today who are the product of at least one felon parent than two non-felon parents?
I would guess no.
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What do you believe and why do you believe it?
2.3 million incarcerated. 330 million in the US. Odds are against it.
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What would you need to see to change whatever perception you have?
Data
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:46 pm to Kujo
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Are there more children of felons or non-felons?
I'm just not felon this thread.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:46 pm to Kujo
Thread hijack:
Is it better to have a felon for a father or no father at all?
Is it better to have a felon for a father or no father at all?
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:47 pm to Kujo
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What do you believe and why do you believe it?
More non felons because most adults aren’t (convicted) felons.
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What would you need to see to change whatever perception you have?
Evidence that most adults are, in fact, felons.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 9:57 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
LINK
If 1/3 have a criminal record. Even distribution would project that 2/3's of children were the product of at least one felon parent. Right?
It doesn't have to be a majority felon, just right around 25%
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one-third of the adult working age population has a criminal record
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half of black males and almost 40 percent of white males are arrested by the age 23.
If 1/3 have a criminal record. Even distribution would project that 2/3's of children were the product of at least one felon parent. Right?
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More non felons because most adults aren’t (convicted) felons
It doesn't have to be a majority felon, just right around 25%
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:00 pm to Ryan3232
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Is it better to have a felon for a father or no father at all?
Depends on the father. Some former felons are great parents as they do everything to prevent their kids from making the same mistakes.
Some non felons are total deadbeat parents.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:05 pm to ProfFrink
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Some former felons are great parents as they do everything to prevent their kids from making the same mistakes
But does "some" really make up for the genetic traits that trend toward criminal activity?
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researchers have now found a common trait amongst many inmates. Recent research has found that antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) was found in 40-70% of prison populations, in comparison to just 1-3% in the general population.
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A genome wide study of Finnish prisoners found that from 794 prisoners, 568 of them were categorised as being positive for ASPD. A further analysis found that two genes in particular, ‘cadherin 13’ (CDH13) - a gene involved in neural connectivity and ‘monoamine oxidase A’ (MAOA),a controller in dopamine levels in the brain, were associated with criminal behaviour.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:11 pm to Kujo
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one-third of the adult working age population has a criminal record
Criminal record =/= felony conviction.
There was a UGA study that found 8% of Americans were convicted felons as of 2010.
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If 1/3 have a criminal record. Even distribution would project that 2/3's of children were the product of at least one felon parent. Right?
Ehh this is a stretch. Maybe if 100% of the felons were males. In which case, 2/3 of all males would have felony convictions and theoretically 2/3 of children would have at least one felon parent. Otherwise the only way you get to 2/3 is by assuming that all felons have children, and that all felons have non-felon partners.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:19 pm to Kujo
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But does "some" really make up for the genetic traits that trend toward criminal activity?
Wash either way. Good and bad parents on both sides. I don’t believe people are genetically bad.
Best thing is to push people to be good parents. Allow former felons opportunities to earn a living and provide for their family if they have paid their debt
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:31 pm to lostinbr
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The FBI’s definition of criminal record
The FBI considers anyone who has been arrested on a felony charge to have a criminal record.
Pleading down to a misdemeanor, or entering into a pretrial diversion program (usual for non-recidivists) means you aren't "technically" a felon? Are they the really equal to the person who was never arrested?
First time DWI, Bar fight assault, drunken disorderly charge, pissing in public, shop lifting, joy riding, etc?
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So by the FBI’s standard, 73.5 million people in the United States had a criminal record as of June 30.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:33 pm to Kujo
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This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:35 pm to Kujo
I dunno but sounds like we should remove weed from schedule 1.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:43 pm to yatesdog38
Never really understood this justification.
Like if you know it's illegal and you do it anyway, why does that make you not a criminal, because you disagree with it?
If I don't agree with alcohol being 21, I'm not a criminal because it's 19 in Canada of I'm caught with alcohol? Open container in BTR isn't illegal because in New Orleans it's legal?
Like if you know it's illegal and you do it anyway, why does that make you not a criminal, because you disagree with it?
If I don't agree with alcohol being 21, I'm not a criminal because it's 19 in Canada of I'm caught with alcohol? Open container in BTR isn't illegal because in New Orleans it's legal?
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:08 pm to Kujo
I dunno but immediately upon the band for restaurant dining in these parts they immediately allowed to go alcoholic drinks of all kinds, mixed, wine, beer... Whatever you wanted. Restaurants could lose liquor licenses over that shite in my location in previous years.
Back to topic the binary thought process is dumb. Kids of felons are often ostracized. We have a sociological problem that stems from materialism. This is why we should have programs and we should help kids that don't have help to have life experiences such as fishing or going camping just creating positive experiences.
Back to topic the binary thought process is dumb. Kids of felons are often ostracized. We have a sociological problem that stems from materialism. This is why we should have programs and we should help kids that don't have help to have life experiences such as fishing or going camping just creating positive experiences.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:53 am to yatesdog38
Ah yes, like the boyscouts? Seen all those lawsuit commercials lately?
I wonder if those handsy scout masters were the products of felons or not.
Is it funny that I imagine "heaven" as dying and being able to have on demand all the data to answer every question precisely....without all the squirmy/slimey (non-binary) "what ifs".
I wonder if those handsy scout masters were the products of felons or not.
Is it funny that I imagine "heaven" as dying and being able to have on demand all the data to answer every question precisely....without all the squirmy/slimey (non-binary) "what ifs".
Posted on 9/19/20 at 6:17 am to Kujo
My perception is no
Because I’ve never really been around any felons
Maybe white collar criminals, but those don’t count
Because I’ve never really been around any felons
Maybe white collar criminals, but those don’t count
Posted on 9/19/20 at 6:51 am to Kujo
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Never really understood this justification.
Saying weed should be legal is an opinion, the justification is that it is a victimless crime and people should be free to do what they want as long as their not harming others.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 7:22 am to Kujo
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The simple question is, are there more child under 18 in the US today who are the product of at least one felon parent than two non-felon parents?
No. Not even close.
Not nationally... maybe in a few zip codes.
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