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Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:58 pm to ShoeBang
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It's amazing to me how they do it. I didn't believe it until he had me sucking wind on my back before I knew what was going on. He's 6'2" and about 165-170 and I'm 5'11" 205.
I learned a little judo when I wrestled in high school. It served me well at The Citadel. I taken and thrown guys that I've given up close to 100 lbs and 3-4" on. It's all about leverage and getting your hips in the proper place. If you can do that, the throws are effortless.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:01 pm to Oates Mustache
It depends on where you go
A great jiu jitsu place that emphasizes self defense will teach you basic strikes and how to defend such strikes in addition to knife defense. Same as a legit judo place. It’s all about learning a system and not so much technique
A great jiu jitsu place that emphasizes self defense will teach you basic strikes and how to defend such strikes in addition to knife defense. Same as a legit judo place. It’s all about learning a system and not so much technique
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:06 pm to lsucoonass
And yes the original judo early bjj was a more complete self defense
More places now are starting to get back into self defense then teaching the more advanced sport techniques afterwards
For instance you don’t need to necessarily try an osoto gari combination that leads to an uchi mata in self defense when an ogoshi or seionage can do the trick
More places now are starting to get back into self defense then teaching the more advanced sport techniques afterwards
For instance you don’t need to necessarily try an osoto gari combination that leads to an uchi mata in self defense when an ogoshi or seionage can do the trick
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:06 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Or MCMAP....
You are going to need to join the Marines for that....
These questions about BJJ versus any other martial art/boxing really depend on the brand of BJJ you are talking about. Gracie Barra is really not a good example of street self defense BJJ. Will it work, yes, but those guys train sport BJJ mostly. We train under Helio, specifically Royler, and our brand is self defense first. We do some stand-up but you square off against a good striker and you better start thinking take-down or run since you will get owned. That's why I say you really need to train both stand-up (striking) and ground to be well rounded.
I love MT. The last school I was at before our instructor moved to another location had a legit MT teacher so several of us did some classes and pretty much we stuck with it. I boxed Golden Gloves so I had at least a little background but those kicks are brutal. One solid kick right above your opponents knee on his lead foot and he will not be able to put weight on it at all and most people have no clue to even expect that coming to check it. Plus, the elbows and knees in MT are devastating at close range out of a clinch.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:08 pm to Oates Mustache
I used to run around Tulsa with the guys from Apollo Cook's gym and Dale "Apollo" Cook himself. One of my good buddies (I didn't realize until his championship belt was sitting in the vacant spot when his TV went out as he kept it on top of the set) was light heavyweight world champ for a short time.
Dale's gym in the 90's was Muay Thai primarily. He'd bring foreign gyms over for locally televised bouts all the time; Japan, China, SK, Philippines, etc.. If my buddies were not fighting, they were judging the bouts.
I can also attest to how effective Muay Thai is for bar fights as those guys took no crap and had tons of adversaries starting crap often. Yes, they got hurt too. Mainly they wrecked shop though. No one wants to get near a PO'd Muay Thai expert as they can not only strike hard, but defend well.
Youtube short highlight reel
Dale's gym in the 90's was Muay Thai primarily. He'd bring foreign gyms over for locally televised bouts all the time; Japan, China, SK, Philippines, etc.. If my buddies were not fighting, they were judging the bouts.
I can also attest to how effective Muay Thai is for bar fights as those guys took no crap and had tons of adversaries starting crap often. Yes, they got hurt too. Mainly they wrecked shop though. No one wants to get near a PO'd Muay Thai expert as they can not only strike hard, but defend well.
Youtube short highlight reel
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:09 pm to MWP
I train under a Gracie Barra affiliate
Luckily my professor learned under Flavio Almeida who learned directly from Carlos Jr, so our defense at this place is pretty practical.
Many places aren’t so lucky
Luckily my professor learned under Flavio Almeida who learned directly from Carlos Jr, so our defense at this place is pretty practical.
Many places aren’t so lucky
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:10 pm to Jim Rockford
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If a fight goes to the ground IRL you are in a world of shite. You're going to be rolling around in piss, shite and broken glass while your adversary's friends kick you in the head. Stay on your feet at all costs.
If? Dam near everyone I’ve seen or been in have gone to the ground. Outside of somebody taking an asswhooping or a 1 punch KO, it’s going to the ground
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:12 pm to dyslexiateechur
Krav Maga is a joke- we had several Krav brown belts visit an open mat at my BJJ gym a few years ago and I played with them like people who’ve never trained when I was a white belt
If you want to actually be able to beat the frick out of someone in the street you need to be good at BJJ, wrestling, and a standup art
If you want to actually be able to beat the frick out of someone in the street you need to be good at BJJ, wrestling, and a standup art
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:14 pm to Oates Mustache
I'm pretty much settled on finding us a gym that teaches either MT only or a 'suite' of stuff for self defense. Thanks for the input guys.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:19 pm to MWP
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You are going to need to join the Marines for that....
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:21 pm to MWP
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That's why I say you really need to train both stand-up (striking) and ground to be well rounded.
I agree. It's why I said,
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In a self defense situation, you have to know when to close distance and when to create distance....
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:22 pm to ShoeBang
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isclaimer: I'm no fighter and I have no first hand knowledge of martial arts, but I have been doing research looking for the best one for kids and dads to learn together. Muay Thai is where I'll probably start
A word of advice from someone who’s been there: I probably wouldn’t start Muay Thai over BJJ as a dad with his kid. Muay Thai sparring is extremely hard and you get the frick knocked out of you on a regular basis. It’s a lot easier to stick with BJJ as a 35+ year old and it’s much easier on your brain and body
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:23 pm to Lonnie Utah
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I agree. It's why I said,
I like when other posters agree with me....
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:23 pm to Oates Mustache
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. 100%
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:25 pm to MWP
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I like when other posters agree with me....
While the MCMAP program comment was sort of a joke, I do feels it's exactly what the OP was asking for. It's a blend of Standing, striking, going to the ground and using traditional and improvised weapons.
The manuals are out there for those that are interested. Google is your friend.
FWIW, our family has been taking Taekwondo since the summer. Mainly for our kid (9 y/o), but my wife and I go about once a week. We took a few months off for COVID but are starting back now. It's been very good for our kid, but I don't think he's put 2+2 together about what he does in the dojo vs the real work.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:27 pm to Oates Mustache
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Self Defense
Krav Maga
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:30 pm to Lonnie Utah
I always liked Taekwondo for the lessons it teaches, but it just never seemed very applicable in real world self defense.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:31 pm to Lonnie Utah
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While the MCMAP program comment was sort of a joke
I didn't take it as such. There is a reason that the Marines have implemented it. It is light years ahead of their former training. We actually have also trained with some Army guys that train under Gracie Combatives, which I think focuses more on the ground angle than what the MCMAP has in it's program.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:35 pm to Oates Mustache
It was watered down once it became more sport based. I know it was once used by the Korean military
Combat sambo is good too
Combat sambo is good too
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