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re: OT Teachers: what’s the reason behind the standardized annual tests?
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:41 pm to TigerintheNO
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:41 pm to TigerintheNO
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administration that make you teach the test, let me teach God damn it
The standardized test measures what you're supposed to be teaching, so do it. "Teaching to the test" is how good teaching happens. Even at a smaller level, when you are about to introduce a new unit of whatever you're teaching, the first step is to create your test -- to figure out how you're going to assess whether students have grasped the important concepts that you're about to teach. And then you create a plan to teach that material.
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:06 pm to sharkfhin
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Let me ask, when the school scores are lower than expected ,does the school district start breathing down that particular schools neck and blame the teachers for the low grades? Imo, it's the child and the parent who should be held responsible...
Parents, and teachers should be held responsible more than a child. Parents are required to entrust that educators are teaching their kids. Parents need to make sure both are pulling their own weight. Educators need to be reminded they are the product parents are required to buy for their kids, so they should be held responsible for the product they are promising.
I don't remember a year my father wasn't disappointed in the curriculum for the up coming year, and thinking we should be further along. And I went to one of the top 10 schools in the state at the time.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:20 pm to tigerfan0082
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I teach 8th grade math in TX.
Are you teaching traditional math or chisanbop?? Seriously though what's the deal with "new math"??
I don't see how parents can be blamed for not helping when arithmetic styles are changed, and they have to try to learn it.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If a teacher gives out good grades but their students bomb the standardized test, it lets parents and administrators hold the teacher accountable,
You do realize that you will get a major arse chewing from your administrator if you fail too many students, right?
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
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"Teaching to the test" is how good teaching happens.
I prefer research, analysis, design, and reflection, but I suppose that is just my take. I guess memorizing useless info because it is "on the test" makes for good teaching. The reality is that if the test is poorly designed or ineffectively administered, then the benefit to the student is probably limited. Just my .02.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:36 pm to jimmy the leg
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GW Bush (No Child Left Behind) and Jindal (implementing the policy via John White). In short...politics.
Weird.
I remember taking the CATS and LEAP tests in 2nd/3rd grade way before Bush or Jindal ever came into office.
Maybe it’s the Mandela effect.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:True and I can never understand how people cant understand this.
The standardized test measures what you're supposed to be teaching, so do it. "Teaching to the test" is how good teaching happens.
If you go to Trade School they’re going to teach you how to weld so you can pass welding/x tay tests...
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
Teaching the test is not how good teaching happens
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:41 pm to Geauxtiga
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you go to Trade School they’re going to teach you how to weld so you can pass welding/x tay tests...
You gave a tech school comparison to a K-12 issue.
Here is how the analogy would play out in K-12...if you pass the definition and terminology portion as it relates to welding...then you pass. In short, you don't actually have to weld, that would be just silly.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:44 pm to TDcline
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Just because a kid can follow rules and do what he/she is told for 9/10s of the year isn’t always truly indicative of intelligence.
IMO these exams shouldn’t be testing intelligence. If that were the point of them, why not just give kids a real IQ test once and be done with it? The point of the test should be to determine if a kid, regardless of IQ, learned the information needed to pass a particular grade. That is exactly the information that their teachers should already be gathering. There is some value to these tests. They help homebuyers determine where to purchase. They help flag struggling kids for additional resources. But the high-stakes, yearly testing is at best a waste of resources and at worst detrimental to our kids’ education.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:45 pm to brass2mouth
quote:Think they were first implemented in 97.
I remember taking the CATS and LEAP tests in 2nd/3rd grade way before Bush or
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:47 pm to tduecen
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Teaching the test is not how good teaching happens
Agree. I had a colleague (social studies) when LEAP was all multiple choice. She had a workbook that had the LEAP key concepts in it. She would go through that workbook with her students three times before LEAP. Her test scores were always great, but the students couldn’t tell you dick about historical context, development, or cause and effect. Robots spitting out rote information that they don’t even understand.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:47 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:This is where the big change came- trying to make it everyday “real life” application. It was known as DEEP Math at one time. Not sure if they renamed ot Common Core or what- my kids are out now.
Here is how the analogy would play out in K-12...if you pass the definition and terminology portion as it relates to welding...then you pass. In short, you don't actually have to weld, that would be just silly.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:48 pm to jimmy the leg
Perfect example... French and Indian War prompt, "Were the colonist justified in going to war with the British after the French and Indian War. Explain using your knowledge of Social Studies."
Now say I taught this correctly and my student understand both sides and writes a wonderful response explains how both sides were justified and another child only wrote yes and explained why. My child understands the topic better than the other child but it hurt because it is not answering the prompt directly. So I've done my job as an educator to make my student aware and have them to think critically but they're hindered by some stupid test and wants a yes or no answer.
That is not showing understanding of a topic
Now say I taught this correctly and my student understand both sides and writes a wonderful response explains how both sides were justified and another child only wrote yes and explained why. My child understands the topic better than the other child but it hurt because it is not answering the prompt directly. So I've done my job as an educator to make my student aware and have them to think critically but they're hindered by some stupid test and wants a yes or no answer.
That is not showing understanding of a topic
Posted on 4/7/19 at 1:53 pm to tduecen
Students get two points just for restating the question or prompt. It’s ridiculous. I have to spend way more class time than I should teaching them how to correctly restate at the expense of teaching actual subject content.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:00 pm to High C
Yup, I hate state testing so much it is ridiculous. Why is my pay depended on a child when through observations and growth I've done my job
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:09 pm to ElroyJetSon
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Biggest waste of time
Like I mentioned, this must have been the test we would race to see who could finish filling out their scantron the fastest..
What was the point of this test?
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The tests reveal the truth to everyone. Bridget Green's parents legitimately thought she was being taught and that she was learning, because she was getting good grades. If a teacher gives out good grades but their students bomb the standardized test, it lets parents and administrators hold the teacher accountable, and it lets the state hold the school accountable, so we don't see a repeat of what Fortier High School did (and a number of other horrible schools did at the time) in terms of institutionalizing failure.
Not necessarily. If a student "bombs" a test, it means they answered many questions incorrectly--that's it. It doesn't necessarily mean the teacher was handing out grades. Some tests do a piss poor job of assessing the actual objectives being taught. Some tests are terribly written. Some students have a bad day or bad hour during that test taking time. Many factors go into a terrible test grade.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:20 pm to CorkSoaker
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Some tests are terribly written.
I submit LEAP 2025 Social Studies.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:34 pm to High C
As a social studies teacher, I agree. In my GLE's it never mentions the Olmecs yet last year they had several questions regarding this early civilization. Confused my kids since we did not learn about them and only mentioned them in passing
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