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re: OT Teachers: what’s the reason behind the standardized annual tests?
Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:01 am to TheWalrus
Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:01 am to TheWalrus
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There are 4.0 valedictorians getting 16 on the ACT
Where? Who?
You are Russian troll?
Four people in my 25 person Lagrange l.c. homeroom hit 31 or better. Including me. None of them were valedictorian. They were in another homeroom.
Do share some data supporting your assertion.
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Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:29 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
It’s a jacked up system but they can’t come up with anything better. They need to assure schools are indoctrinating the kids.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:31 am to tduecen
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frick state testing every year after 3rd grade. It is just a fricking money grab and frick administration that make you teach the test, let me teach God damn it
What is crazy is that the test is now 100% on-line. Problem is schools don't have the computers or broadband to support everyone taking the test at the same time.
So two grade levels a week will take the standardized test for the next month. Everyone else is displaced (no recess,movement in the school, PE classes) or told to go on field trips. Having a child in 1st grade is expensive in April.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 9:33 am to TigerintheNO
That’s why I quit teaching secondary and started teaching third grad lol. I’m certified for every grade now.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 10:22 am to OleWar
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But many sadly realize there is little to be done when the average IQ of their student body might be 80 at best so they cheat.
They don’t have to cheat, really. A lot of the time they will determine who they think will get passing scores on the test by about mid-October and kick them out and send the back to traditional public school. This is conveniently after state funding has been distributed, so the charter gets the money for the kid they sent back to the public school to bring down their school performance score.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 10:58 am to paleantelope
Let me ask, when the school scores are lower than expected ,does the school district start breathing down that particular schools neck and blame the teachers for the low grades? Imo, it's the child and the parent who should be held responsible...
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:05 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Is he in a public school in Louisiana? If so, there are no high stakes assessments in K-12. A student cannot be held back or forced to take summer school based on the statewide standardized assessment alone.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:09 am to Zappas Stache
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Appropriately enough, charter school kids don't have to take standardized tests because that would expose how crappy charter schools are.
Wrong! Charters are in fact public schools and must adhere to the same policies as the district public school system including following the state standards and taking statewide standardized assessments. Jeesh!
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:11 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Just because a kid can follow rules and do what he/she is told for 9/10s of the year isn’t always truly indicative of intelligence.
I was a B student, mostly out of boredom. I always scored “advanced” on the end of the year exams (which speaks to the accuracy of these tests because I’m an idiot). Meanwhile a lot of “A” students were scoring “Approaching Basic”
If you’re kid is really the student his grades reflect, an end-of-the-year test shouldn’t scare you this much. He’s either as smart as the private school grade you’re paying for or he’s not.
I was a B student, mostly out of boredom. I always scored “advanced” on the end of the year exams (which speaks to the accuracy of these tests because I’m an idiot). Meanwhile a lot of “A” students were scoring “Approaching Basic”
If you’re kid is really the student his grades reflect, an end-of-the-year test shouldn’t scare you this much. He’s either as smart as the private school grade you’re paying for or he’s not.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:14 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Those tests are political- that’s why they change with each governor.
“Look how much test scores improved under my watch.”
“Look how much test scores improved under my watch.”
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:16 am to sharkfhin
quote:Much of the time, yes; however, there are some bad teachers, too.
Imo, it's the child and the parent who should be held responsible...
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:19 am to GOP_Tiger
Even if true, standardized testing doesn't necessarily stop that from happening. There could still be cases of "teachers handing out A's like candy" while also participating in standardized tests each year.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:20 am to tduecen
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frick administration that make you teach the test, let me teach God damn it
This! Teaching is an art, not a science. If you’re talking LEAP and EOC, they are there to create the illusion of teacher and school accountability. What they fail to provide is student or parent accountability. It provides politicians with a tool to point the finger at teachers when test scores aren’t what THEY believe they should be. They never take into account that Little Johnny and about 20% more of the student population won’t even bring materials to school to work with, much less give a single f*ck about learning content. When Little Johnny and his ilk score unsatisfactory, they move along to the next grade, while teachers are told, “you have to do better.”
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:21 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Pandering to the sheeple parents who want to blame others for their shitty kids
Posted on 4/7/19 at 11:21 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I just cant wrap my head around the thought of parents complaining about standardize tests confirming their childs legit knowledge.
When I was I kid iirc we took TAAS every 3-4 grades. The "final one" in 11th grade could prevent graduation until passed. it's a good gauge to compare teachers/schools/students.
TX has the 10% rule (going down to 6% this fall for UTX). Lots of less prepared kids are being auto-admitted in, and pop growth is messing with things. Our top schools are being forced to not take the "best of the best" from TX. Many are failing out quickly. A lot of smart young native Texans are leaving the state for education then should be. it's an interesting study on effects of "affirmative action" decisions 15 or so yrs in.
When I was I kid iirc we took TAAS every 3-4 grades. The "final one" in 11th grade could prevent graduation until passed. it's a good gauge to compare teachers/schools/students.
TX has the 10% rule (going down to 6% this fall for UTX). Lots of less prepared kids are being auto-admitted in, and pop growth is messing with things. Our top schools are being forced to not take the "best of the best" from TX. Many are failing out quickly. A lot of smart young native Texans are leaving the state for education then should be. it's an interesting study on effects of "affirmative action" decisions 15 or so yrs in.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:34 pm to paleantelope
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They don’t have to cheat, really. A lot of the time they will determine who they think will get passing scores on the test by about mid-October and kick them out and send the back to traditional public school. This is conveniently after state funding has been distributed, so the charter gets the money for the kid they sent back to the public school to bring down their school performance score.
What schools are these? In the New Orleans area schools are resistant to suspend or expel students since they loose points.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:35 pm to shutterspeed
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And the outdated, factory line philosophy of education.
You mean that same philosophy that won the cold war, put a man on the moon, was back to back world war champs, turned this country into a GDP arse kicking machine of technology, creativity, and innovation that enabled it's citizens to enjoy a high standard of living like very few others?
Yeah, I guess it's outdated and we should scrap that shite.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:35 pm to CorkSoaker
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standardized testing doesn't necessarily stop that from happening. There could still be cases of "teachers handing out A's like candy" while also participating in standardized tests each year.
The tests reveal the truth to everyone. Bridget Green's parents legitimately thought she was being taught and that she was learning, because she was getting good grades.
If a teacher gives out good grades but their students bomb the standardized test, it lets parents and administrators hold the teacher accountable, and it lets the state hold the school accountable, so we don't see a repeat of what Fortier High School did (and a number of other horrible schools did at the time) in terms of institutionalizing failure.
Some of you younger folks have no idea what a cesspit of disaster New Orleans public schools (not unique among public school systems in the state) were before Katrina and before real school accountability. They were just a horrible abyss that made a mockery out of our education system.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:39 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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My kid has straight A’s all year
Work ethic
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standardized annual tests
Aptitude
Posted on 4/7/19 at 12:40 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I teach 8th grade math in TX. If the student doesn’t pass the test, they need to go to summer school...period. In TX, passing is set at around 48%, for Math. Most of the questions are relatively basic in nature.
I think standardized testing is dumb and all about politics; however, if a student can’t get a 48% on a test, given two chances, they need summer school.
I think standardized testing is dumb and all about politics; however, if a student can’t get a 48% on a test, given two chances, they need summer school.
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