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Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:56 am to Cheese Grits
Pretty sure OP owes Cheese Grits a few shekels for the advice. That's good stuff.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:05 am to rpg37
I may be ignorant, but what if someone gets injured in the hotel parking lot that is actually your land. Can they go after you or your insurance?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:06 am to wesfau
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Pretty sure OP owes Cheese Grits a few shekels for the advice. That's good stuff.
Just pay it forward if it works, I miss the old days when deals were about long term business, not just instant gain. Like dating in this age, I am glad I am out of it. Too hard to read the room and understand the rules.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:08 am to boxcarbarney
Contractor said negotiate a settlement where they legally buy the land.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:17 am to Cheese Grits
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As stated before, if you have title insurance, and the deed description shows ALL inside what you bought (and they insured) that is the next place to go as they are on the hook and may have better access to lawyers who win for you.
I'm not a Mississippi attorney but if it is similar to Louisiana which I believe it is then you probably have an exception to the policy that says it excludes any encroachments that a current survey might reveal. You can get that coverage but it usually involves you obtaining a survey PRIOR to the issuance of any policy. If you did get a survey prior to the purchase and it shows an encroachment, your title insurance would have an exception for that encroachment.
These title insurance companies aren't going to take a few hundred dollars to fight an encroachment that could easily be found if you didn't want to spend the money on a survey before closing.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:19 am to rpg37
But you're going to go to a lawyer, right?
Side bar question;
Have you ever done home improvement/renovations?
Side bar question;
Have you ever done home improvement/renovations?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:22 am to rpg37
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they all believe this land is unequivocally mine. They suggested I bring the survey to his lawyer and discuss a settlement.
Is this the best course? Is there anything else I should be doing?
Are you absolutely crazy???
You bring the survey to ]Y O U R lawyer [/b]and let
Y O U R lawyer discuss a settlement with their attorney.
They have been illegally using your land for FREE.
- They owe you back rent and future rent
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:23 am to rpg37
I'd hire a surveyor and reach back out to your title attorney that helped close on the property. The title attorney owes you some free time if this wasn't captured during closing. Have your surveyor set iron at property corners and servitude/easement limits. Takes lots of pictures. Get a signed and sealed survey. Then go find an attorney to negotiate with hotel.
I wouldn't take anything less than the right of access and an annual rental rate for use of your property. Or Access + Settlement.
I wouldn't take anything less than the right of access and an annual rental rate for use of your property. Or Access + Settlement.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:26 am to TigerDeacon
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These title insurance companies aren't going to take a few hundred dollars to fight an encroachment that could easily be found if you didn't want to spend the money on a survey before closing.
Rule #1, spend the money, get YOUR survey, BEFORE closing. So many people want to save a nickel up front and it costs them a dollar on the back end.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:34 am to mthorn2
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The title attorney owes you some free time if this wasn't captured during closing.
No he doesn't. I guaranty at some point in time the title attorney had the buyer sign something that stated whether or not he wanted a survey.
It's not the title attorney's job to walk the boundary of properties looking for encroachments. His job is to search the public records for any problems regarding encumbrances, legal descriptions, issues with prior owners, gaps in ownership, etc. He is not a surveyor. That is a different professional. Someone who builds on your property doesn't file something with in the conveyance records showing what they did.
Also, just as a general rule, the assessor maps are just their best guess as to property lines. They do an excellent job showing the general location of a property but they aren't a surveyor either. They just use commercial available satellite maps and a third party vendor superimposes property lines.
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:40 am to TigerDeacon
While this is all true, I don't know too many who will refuse to meet or at least discuss it with you.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:39 pm to rpg37
Sue him..Biloxi is full of dumbass crooks
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:02 pm to wesfau
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While this is all true, I don't know too many who will refuse to meet or at least discuss it with you.
I never said anything close to that.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 6:15 pm to TigerDeacon
Update. Hired a lawyer Friday and he got to me this afternoon. He reached out to the lawyer of the hotel and showed him the survey. The lawyers agree that the hotel is in violation. They have also agreed that the land has never been vacated through the city, so they cannot claim is by 10 years adverse possession.
We are trying to establish a mutual easement proposal where the hotel cuts the curb to allow me full access to my carport and I allow them to keep what is already there and they are responsible for the maintenance of the alleyway.
We are trying to establish a mutual easement proposal where the hotel cuts the curb to allow me full access to my carport and I allow them to keep what is already there and they are responsible for the maintenance of the alleyway.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 6:30 pm to rpg37
Property boundary disputes, especially involving potential encroachments by a commercial neighbor like a hotel, can be complex under Mississippi law. Outcomes depend on specific facts, deeds, surveys, title history, any prior agreements or uses, and local ordinances. The person described should immediately consult a licensed Mississippi real estate attorney (ideally one experienced in boundary disputes and quiet title actions in Harrison County) before taking any significant steps. What follows is general information based on publicly available Mississippi law and Biloxi resources—they must get personalized professional advice tailored to their situation.
Key Elements from the Description
• You (the homeowner) closed on the property last fall (roughly fall 2025, assuming current timing).
• The disputed area was thought to be a “shared alley” adjacent to the hotel’s parking lot.
• The prior owner refused curb cuts and claimed ownership with a survey (but wouldn’t share it).
• Your new survey (done with City of Biloxi involvement) shows your property extends ~10 feet further, meaning most of the hotel’s parking lot encroaches on your land.
• The land was never vacated (per city/contractor), so the city and your team view it as unequivocally yours.
• City/contractor suggested presenting your survey to the hotel owner’s lawyer to discuss a settlement.
This appears to be a boundary/encroachment dispute rather than a classic adverse possession or prescriptive easement claim by the hotel (yet). The hotel’s parking use may have been open and longstanding, but since you just purchased, any potential prescriptive rights would likely tie back to prior owners or the hotel’s history of use.
Relevant Mississippi Law (General Overview)
• Boundary Disputes & Surveys: A professional survey coordinated with the city carries significant weight, especially if it aligns with historical records and the city confirms the alley was never vacated. Conflicting surveys (theirs vs. yours) often require negotiation or court resolution. Mississippi courts look at deeds, plats, monuments, and historical evidence. ?
• Encroachment Remedies: Common options include requesting removal of the encroaching improvement (parking lot paving/striping), negotiating a written agreement (e.g., license or easement for continued use in exchange for payment or curb access), or court action. Self-help (e.g., blocking access or removing improvements yourself) risks escalating conflict or liability. ?
• Adverse Possession: In Mississippi, someone can claim ownership after 10 years of actual, open, notorious, hostile/exclusive, and continuous possession (under claim of right). There are nuances, including rules about fences/driveways and disabilities. Since you just bought the property, the clock generally doesn’t favor the hotel starting now—but prior use by the hotel could complicate things if it meets the elements. Paying taxes on the disputed portion can also matter in some contexts. ?
• Prescriptive Easement: Similar 10-year test for a right to use (not own) the land (e.g., for parking/access). It requires the same adverse elements; permissive use doesn’t count. ?
• Quiet Title Action: This is a common chancery court proceeding in Mississippi to confirm ownership, remove “clouds” on title (like disputed claims or encroachments), and get a court order clarifying boundaries. It can resolve conflicting surveys and bind the parties. It often follows failed negotiations. ?
• Public vs. Private Alley: If the alley was never formally vacated by the city, and records show it as part of your parcel (or unvacated public right-of-way that reverted), this strengthens your position. Biloxi’s Land Development Ordinance addresses right-of-way/easement vacations and access standards, but the city has already weighed in via your survey process. ?
Biloxi has a Community Development Department (Planning/Zoning, Code Enforcement, Engineering) that handles these matters. Your coordination with the city is a good start—document everything (emails, conversations, survey details).
Is Presenting the Survey to Their Lawyer for Settlement the Best First Course?
Often yes, as a practical next step—many boundary disputes resolve through negotiation to avoid costly, time-consuming litigation. A polite, professional letter from your attorney (not you directly) enclosing the survey, referencing the city’s input, and proposing a meeting can:
• Put them on formal notice.
• Open discussion of options like: selling/leasing the strip to you, granting an easement for your curb cut (and possibly continued parking use), monetary settlement, or boundary line agreement.
• Create a paper trail showing you acted reasonably.
Pros of starting with settlement talks:
• Cheaper and faster than court.
• Preserves neighbor relations (though the prior “ape shite” reaction suggests tension).
• Avoids immediate escalation.
Cons/Risks:
• They may dig in, produce their own survey, or claim long-term prescriptive rights/adverse possession based on historical parking use.
• Delaying formal action could allow their use to continue (potentially strengthening any future claim by them, though 10 years is the threshold).
If they refuse to engage or negotiations stall, the next step is typically filing a quiet title or boundary dispute action in Harrison County Chancery Court, possibly with a request for injunctive relief (e.g., to stop further encroachment or require removal).
Other Steps They Should Consider (With Attorney Guidance)
1. Hire a Mississippi Real Estate/Boundary Dispute Attorney Promptly: Do not rely solely on city staff or your contractor for legal strategy. Look for firms handling Biloxi/Harrison County real estate litigation (e.g., those mentioning easements, encroachments, or quiet title). They can review your full title/deed, the survey, city records, and the hotel’s potential claims. Early involvement helps frame communications.
2. Document Everything: Keep records of all interactions (past owner, city, contractor, hotel). Get the survey certified and any city correspondence in writing. Consider a title search/update if not already done.
3. City Involvement: Follow up with Biloxi’s Community Development (Planning/Zoning at 228-435-6266 or relevant divisions) or Engineering/Public Works for any official records on the alley’s status, vacation history, or zoning/access requirements. Code Enforcement might address ongoing unauthorized use of your property, but this is secondary to boundary resolution. Do not assume the city will enforce on your behalf without clear violations.
4. Potential Additional Actions:
• Demand they cease using the encroaching area (via attorney letter).
• Explore whether the hotel needs permits for parking lot use that might now be impacted.
• If access is critical for your carport, discuss curb cut permits with the city after clarifying ownership.
• In rare cases, adverse possession or easement claims could be preempted with proper notice/filing, but that’s attorney territory.
Key Elements from the Description
• You (the homeowner) closed on the property last fall (roughly fall 2025, assuming current timing).
• The disputed area was thought to be a “shared alley” adjacent to the hotel’s parking lot.
• The prior owner refused curb cuts and claimed ownership with a survey (but wouldn’t share it).
• Your new survey (done with City of Biloxi involvement) shows your property extends ~10 feet further, meaning most of the hotel’s parking lot encroaches on your land.
• The land was never vacated (per city/contractor), so the city and your team view it as unequivocally yours.
• City/contractor suggested presenting your survey to the hotel owner’s lawyer to discuss a settlement.
This appears to be a boundary/encroachment dispute rather than a classic adverse possession or prescriptive easement claim by the hotel (yet). The hotel’s parking use may have been open and longstanding, but since you just purchased, any potential prescriptive rights would likely tie back to prior owners or the hotel’s history of use.
Relevant Mississippi Law (General Overview)
• Boundary Disputes & Surveys: A professional survey coordinated with the city carries significant weight, especially if it aligns with historical records and the city confirms the alley was never vacated. Conflicting surveys (theirs vs. yours) often require negotiation or court resolution. Mississippi courts look at deeds, plats, monuments, and historical evidence. ?
• Encroachment Remedies: Common options include requesting removal of the encroaching improvement (parking lot paving/striping), negotiating a written agreement (e.g., license or easement for continued use in exchange for payment or curb access), or court action. Self-help (e.g., blocking access or removing improvements yourself) risks escalating conflict or liability. ?
• Adverse Possession: In Mississippi, someone can claim ownership after 10 years of actual, open, notorious, hostile/exclusive, and continuous possession (under claim of right). There are nuances, including rules about fences/driveways and disabilities. Since you just bought the property, the clock generally doesn’t favor the hotel starting now—but prior use by the hotel could complicate things if it meets the elements. Paying taxes on the disputed portion can also matter in some contexts. ?
• Prescriptive Easement: Similar 10-year test for a right to use (not own) the land (e.g., for parking/access). It requires the same adverse elements; permissive use doesn’t count. ?
• Quiet Title Action: This is a common chancery court proceeding in Mississippi to confirm ownership, remove “clouds” on title (like disputed claims or encroachments), and get a court order clarifying boundaries. It can resolve conflicting surveys and bind the parties. It often follows failed negotiations. ?
• Public vs. Private Alley: If the alley was never formally vacated by the city, and records show it as part of your parcel (or unvacated public right-of-way that reverted), this strengthens your position. Biloxi’s Land Development Ordinance addresses right-of-way/easement vacations and access standards, but the city has already weighed in via your survey process. ?
Biloxi has a Community Development Department (Planning/Zoning, Code Enforcement, Engineering) that handles these matters. Your coordination with the city is a good start—document everything (emails, conversations, survey details).
Is Presenting the Survey to Their Lawyer for Settlement the Best First Course?
Often yes, as a practical next step—many boundary disputes resolve through negotiation to avoid costly, time-consuming litigation. A polite, professional letter from your attorney (not you directly) enclosing the survey, referencing the city’s input, and proposing a meeting can:
• Put them on formal notice.
• Open discussion of options like: selling/leasing the strip to you, granting an easement for your curb cut (and possibly continued parking use), monetary settlement, or boundary line agreement.
• Create a paper trail showing you acted reasonably.
Pros of starting with settlement talks:
• Cheaper and faster than court.
• Preserves neighbor relations (though the prior “ape shite” reaction suggests tension).
• Avoids immediate escalation.
Cons/Risks:
• They may dig in, produce their own survey, or claim long-term prescriptive rights/adverse possession based on historical parking use.
• Delaying formal action could allow their use to continue (potentially strengthening any future claim by them, though 10 years is the threshold).
If they refuse to engage or negotiations stall, the next step is typically filing a quiet title or boundary dispute action in Harrison County Chancery Court, possibly with a request for injunctive relief (e.g., to stop further encroachment or require removal).
Other Steps They Should Consider (With Attorney Guidance)
1. Hire a Mississippi Real Estate/Boundary Dispute Attorney Promptly: Do not rely solely on city staff or your contractor for legal strategy. Look for firms handling Biloxi/Harrison County real estate litigation (e.g., those mentioning easements, encroachments, or quiet title). They can review your full title/deed, the survey, city records, and the hotel’s potential claims. Early involvement helps frame communications.
2. Document Everything: Keep records of all interactions (past owner, city, contractor, hotel). Get the survey certified and any city correspondence in writing. Consider a title search/update if not already done.
3. City Involvement: Follow up with Biloxi’s Community Development (Planning/Zoning at 228-435-6266 or relevant divisions) or Engineering/Public Works for any official records on the alley’s status, vacation history, or zoning/access requirements. Code Enforcement might address ongoing unauthorized use of your property, but this is secondary to boundary resolution. Do not assume the city will enforce on your behalf without clear violations.
4. Potential Additional Actions:
• Demand they cease using the encroaching area (via attorney letter).
• Explore whether the hotel needs permits for parking lot use that might now be impacted.
• If access is critical for your carport, discuss curb cut permits with the city after clarifying ownership.
• In rare cases, adverse possession or easement claims could be preempted with proper notice/filing, but that’s attorney territory.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 6:44 pm to VooDude
I actually read this entire post. At first I assumed it was all copy and paste but this is a great synopsis of the thread and well measure actionable plans. Thank you!
Posted on 4/27/26 at 6:55 pm to rpg37
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I actually read this entire post. At first I assumed it was all copy and paste but this is a great synopsis of the thread and well measure actionable plans. Thank you!
My neighbor who is an attorney refused to answer, but that’s what I got from Grok.
I had to cut off part of it due to text limit, but I’d ask your question to it or other LLMs.
And who says lawyers aren’t also screwed by AI?
Posted on 4/27/26 at 7:04 pm to Canon951
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However, if someone that owned your property in the past had allowed the hotel to build a parking lot on what is your property and the parking lot has been there a long time then the hotel owners would have a very good adverse possession claim.
That would not be adverse possession since he had permission to use the land and was not trespassing. Just bc a previous owner allowed someone to use property that doesn’t mean the new owner has to ( unless a recorded lease is involved (which isn’t the case here))
Posted on 4/27/26 at 7:10 pm to Traffic Circle
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so little is spent on real issues like this?
Probably 50% of legal practice is stuff like this (true commercial lit, transactions) but it's not usually salacious so nobody cares or hears about it.
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