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re: Oregon passes bill to recriminalize drug possession

Posted on 3/3/24 at 12:30 pm to
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32990 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Stupid liberals. Who could've guessed the outcome???

The War on Drugs is over; drugs won. Both “conservatives” and “liberals” are responsible for the hellscape that drug prohibition has created.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2023
2957 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 1:49 pm to
The war on poverty is much much much worse.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32990 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 1:55 pm to
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The war on poverty is much much much worse.

I would argue that our current policy of drug prohibition is in large part responsible for much of the generational poverty we are still seeing. If the wealthiest people in your neighborhood are drug dealers, you’re going to have a hard time convincing kids to stay on the straight and narrow so they can have a comfortable middle class life in a couple of decades.

You’ll notice that the number of neighborhoods in which the wealthiest people are bootleggers/moonshiners approach nonexistent.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 1:56 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 2:09 pm to
The whole GD “war on drugs” was total bullshite, if there was ever a war on drugs (which I am not sure really existed since the CIA was in charge of the Mexican cartels and working with them in 80s to fund the contras, ((google it about 12 books and 3 or 4 movies on it) then we completely got destroyed and drugs won.

The war on weed never made a bit of sense to begin with. It was like prohibition 80/90s style.


Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
6101 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 2:34 pm to
Where do they think they are going to find police officers to hire? None want to work for Woke, progressive agenda mayors or city councils.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23884 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:14 pm to
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Most addicts are a detriment to our society by their own choice

I agree that addicts are a detriment to society.

Addicts chose to abuse drugs and/or alcohol and could choose to pursue treatment, but have yet to do so.

Addiction however is a disease and can be shown to be so scientifically using imaging and other objective measures.

All three statements can be true at the same time.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 4:21 pm
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23884 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:20 pm to
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The whole GD “war on drugs” was total bullshite,

I agree that we should view drug abuse as a war, it’s killed more Americans that all of our wars combined.

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there was ever a war on drugs (which I am not sure really existed since the CIA was in charge of the Mexican cartels and working with them in 80s to fund the contras, ((google it about 12 books and 3 or 4 movies on it) then we completely got destroyed and drugs won.

If you believe the CIA was complicit in drug trafficking to support foreign wars as the evidence you presented supports then follow that logic to its conclusion.

Drug smugglers are complicit in any deaths that occur as a result of their smuggling.

More Americans have died from addiction than all wars combined.

Therefore the US government would be responsible for more American deaths than the Germans, Nazis, Japanese, Korean/Chinese, Vietnamese and Al-Qaeda combined.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23884 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:27 pm to
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I would argue that our current policy of drug prohibition is in large part responsible for much of the generational poverty we are still seeing.

I’d argue it’s a byproduct of raising children in broken/non-nuclear families.

Two parent households statistically are far and away the greatest predictor of positive/negative outcomes for children and drug use.

Black two parent families for example have better outcomes than white two parent families, there are just proportionally far more single parent black homes than white ones.

Prior to LBJ signing the great society legislation blacks were between 70-80% two parent households. Since that was passed all races have seen a steady decline in outcomes.

Any objective statistician would point to that legislation as the inflection point for the US.

In other words if we want to fix drug abuse and poor child outcomes we need to identify exactly what part of the Great Society legislation triggered the decline and remove it or just eliminate the whole thing all together.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11673 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 4:32 pm to
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Getting methed out on your couch? Nobody cares.


Unfortunately a lot of people leave their couch to get more or do stupid stuff while high.

Bottom line here, legalization of dangerous drugs is a terrible idea.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20061 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 5:58 pm to
Has anyone seen the videos of the drugs in the streets from the cities that do this?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31551 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:42 pm to
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ranked 50th for access to treatment



Well no shite it failed then. That's one thing I can say about Louisiana, we may be last in damned near everything but this state has great recovery and access to it. Whether treatment facilities or sober housing and thriving recovery communities, it's one of the things Louisiana actually does well.
Posted by Relham10
Ridge
Member since Jan 2013
21361 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:47 pm to
shite show
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38500 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:48 pm to
So shocked that didn’t work out as intended
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39940 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:48 pm to
Louisiana has more people on government assistance than nearly any other state.

You can spin it any way you want; it's a mess.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31551 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 6:53 pm to
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Louisiana has more people on government assistance than nearly any other state.

You can spin it any way you want; it's a mess.



Ok? Doesn't change the fact that the state does recovery right
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
64295 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:08 pm to
Addiction is a disease not a choice. Putting some one in jail for possession is like putting a diabetic in jail for having a dozen doughnuts. Distributing is another subject.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144210 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:11 pm to
meth is illegal. krispy kreams are not illegal.

so the two aren't really alike.
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
64295 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:21 pm to
They both are bad for you. And putting someone in jail for it doesn’t do anything
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39940 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:22 pm to
I don't know, tbh, but it b speaks to the weakness of our populace.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95061 posts
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:39 pm to
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The war on poverty is much much much worse.


It’s an easy fix. Reform and fund the American education system and thus decreases dramatically, IMO
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 7:40 pm
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