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re: On this day in history 1844: Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith murdered by irate mob
Posted on 6/28/25 at 10:19 am to billjamin
Posted on 6/28/25 at 10:19 am to billjamin
I have a lot of Mormon friends. I don't get into too much religious talk with them, but what I will say is that Mormon families are the type of people you want as your neighbors. They're educated, succesful, well-behaved and most of them are well stocked with guns in their homes.
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 10:49 am to RLDSC FAN
When I had a place in New Roads two young Mormon men came by to spread the word. I told them I was solid on my religious values but they were welcome to come by, sit on the pier and eat when we were cooking. They did. Nice people.
Being on a Mormon mission in the heart of Catholic country must of been a very frustrating experience.
Being on a Mormon mission in the heart of Catholic country must of been a very frustrating experience.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 12:26 pm to UnoDelgado
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Is there no help for the widows son.
Hold your calls. We have a winner.
Joseph Smith cried out the Masonic grand hailing sign of distress before he was murdered. Brigham Young basically invented the Mormonism founded on the 14th degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. How anyone could believe that wack job religion is totally beyond me.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 12:46 pm to TigerRoyale
quote:It could be worse. My uncle's mission was to Iran.
Being on a Mormon mission in the heart of Catholic country must of been a very frustrating experience.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 12:46 pm to L.A.
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For anyone interested in the topic, I highly recommend Fawn M. Brodie's biography of Joseph Smith, "No Man Knows My History." The title is taken from a quote by Smith. Brodie was a history professor at UCLA. She was also a Mormon. The Mormon church excommunicated her after the book was published, so obviously they didn't like it. But I found it balanced and thorough. I am interested in the history of religions, and Mormonism is distinctly American religion.
What’s your take on the fate of the golden tablets?
Posted on 6/28/25 at 2:26 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
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Their version is not Christianity.
Yes, Mormons don't believe Jesus is the Son of God & Messiah. Their "baptism" isn't recognized by any Christian denomination.
Mormons believe every man can become a peer savior to Jesus if he recruits enough followers. The whole religion is a multi-level marketing program (e.g. 23 & Me, posthumous baptism)
Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:26 pm to Rust Cohle
quote:Murdering each other in competition or battling people for control of bureaucracies to steal land are not my idea of martyrdom. There is actually no comparison with real Christianity.
No one would die for a lie! Mormonisms has many of the same evidentiary items used to support Christianity and Jesus resurrection, but Christian’s aren’t intellectually honest on why they believe one and not the other.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:18 pm to Rabby
I get that you’re saying the martyrdoms aren’t equivalent, and that’s fair to scrutinize. But the idea that early Christian martyrs died purely for supernatural claims is probably more hagiography than history. We don’t know how most of them died, or even if they were martyred at all. Much of it likely had as much to do with political unrest and social disruption as Joseph Smith’s death did. So if martyrdom is used as a truth-marker, it’s inconsistent to accept one set of politically tangled deaths as ‘pure’ and dismiss the other entirely. That’s the inconsistency I was pointing out
Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:01 pm to themetalreb
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When I read threads like this on this site, it is always fairly sobering……I’m guessing most of the posters here are “southern”, and were probably raised around or in Christian culture. But there is always an overwhelming number who are clearly not Christians. When we don’t have massive support of Christianity in the south, it’s over. So it’s over. It’s really just more fulfilling of Bible prophecy. Strange how something based on “loving your neighbor” gets so much hate. And they call us weird***
Actually most of us were raised in the church and know from the inside how shallow, hypocritical, and selective in morality the US evangelicals are.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:05 pm to Florida_Man1981
All of them? You went to some shitty churches friend….
Posted on 6/28/25 at 7:17 pm to High C
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What’s your take on the fate of the golden tablets?
I don’t think they ever existed. I think Joseph Smith was a con man
Posted on 6/28/25 at 7:21 pm to northshorebamaman
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He asked for that shite though.
What about poor Hyrum? He was just following his big brother.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:38 pm to L.A.
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I don’t think they ever existed. I think Joseph Smith was a con man
There were 11 named witnesses, and most left the church but didn’t recant their statements. The testaments were formal and signed.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:48 pm to themetalreb
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All of them? You went to some shitty churches friend….
Met a handful of sincere people. For the most part though it was sheep and predators. Just look at the track record of pastors.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:59 pm to ATrillionaire
When it comes to Christianity, Jesus started one church, the rest our man-made
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:01 pm to ATrillionaire
When it comes to Christianity, Jesus started one true church. The rest are man-made.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:04 pm to Rust Cohle
It's a cult.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Mormon families are the type of people you want as your neighbors.
Thats what blows my mind. They are generally awesome people. Yet they follow one of the craziest religions on the planet. You'd think they'd all be social outcasts and hippy-like.
This post was edited on 6/28/25 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:17 pm to GoIrish02
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Mormons don't believe Jesus is the Son of God & Messiah.
This is 100% wrong. Mormons do not believe that God and Jesus Christ are the same being. They believe that Christ is the son of God.
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Their "baptism" isn't recognized by any Christian denomination.
This is true
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denomination.
Mormons believe every man can become a peer savior to Jesus if he recruits enough followers.
This is also not true.
The saying in Mormon faith is "as man is, God once was. As God is, man may become"
That means that our God once lived a mortal life and our Universe is his reward for the life he led.
So, Mormons think if they lead a righteous life, they may become a God of their own universe.
Basically, Mormons believed in the multiverse before Marvel believed in the multiverse
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:49 pm to Turnblad85
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Yet they follow one of the craziest religions on the planet.
Is it any more crazy than yours?
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