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re: On this day in 1945, the city of Nagasaki is wiped off the face of the earth...
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:05 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:05 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Murder and war is one of the things that humans have perfected sadly. And the beat goes on.
I’ve often wondered what the old timers in the 1940s who were born in say 1875 knowing only single shot rifles, cannons, and revolvers then thought about the weapons of destruction we created like nukes, fire bombing, machine guns, chemical bombs, etc.
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:06 pm to ShoeBang
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The ultimate FAFO moment in history
Those bastards were never gonna surrender.
Had to be done.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:06 pm to TX Tiger
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Actually, I was referring to those who believe that Pear Harbor was the start.
It wasn't. Pearl Harbor was the Japanese response to U.S. sanctions designed to provoke such a response for the purpose of garnering support for entering WWII.
Still doesn't require Japan to attack Pearl Harbor and declare war on the US.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:07 pm to RollTide1987
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1. Invasion - would lead to mass murder
Would have had an insane amount of casualties.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:07 pm to Cosmo
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We also had to prove to Stalin that we had the bomb and were willing to use it.
This. That move was us slapping the world with our gigantic American dick
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:08 pm to Cosmo
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Conventional firebombing of Tokyo
Everybody forgets how we bombed the absolute shite out of Tokyo beforehand.
Massive amount of casualties.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:09 pm to cypresstiger
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Aug 9, Kokura was the primary target but cloudy conditions there shifted the mission to Nagasaki. Cloud cover mattered bc the photo unit wanted to have clear documentation of the bomb’s effects.
See, we have always been social media attention whores
“Feeling cute, might nuke a city today idk”
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:15 pm to RollTide1987
Alternate housing of the Fat Man at the Elgin AF Museum
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:16 pm to Cuz413
that is a pretty good little museum 
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:18 pm to Cajunhawk81
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We should have bit the bullet, invaded, waited for the Russians to invade, and got the full scale surrender that was coming anyway.
Surrender would have never happened.
Japan would have killed every last man, woman, and child before surrendering.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:19 pm to CBandits82
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Japan would have killed every last man, woman, and child before surrendering.
if they would have had the bomb they'd have probably used it on themselves
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:50 pm to Keltic Tiger
I’m not saying it wasn’t the right strategical decision because it likely saved more lives than it killed but biblically, it just makes me wonder, who would pay in the afterlife when judged by God, the maker of the bomb, the one who made the call, or the guys that dropped it? Would the killing of thousands of lives, in the defense of one’s self, apply in the, “thou shalt not kill”, part of the Ten Commandments?
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:59 pm to Asleepinthecove
Visited Los Alamos in 19, beautiful city and the Museum is very impressive. Documents how the site was previously a boy scout retreat and that the central pond dates from that time.
Recommend that if you go that far, head a little further and see Longmire's Cabin.
Recommend that if you go that far, head a little further and see Longmire's Cabin.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:02 pm to CBandits82
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Everybody forgets how we bombed the absolute shite out of Tokyo beforehand.
Massive amount of casualties.
Before and after.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:36 pm to CBandits82
Ding ding ding...winner winner.
And it still took Hirohito a week to agree to the terms of surrender after two nukes. A fricking week.
The loss of American life invading the Japanese main islands was calculated in the hundreds of thousands.
They had plenty of war material on the main islands.
And it still took Hirohito a week to agree to the terms of surrender after two nukes. A fricking week.
The loss of American life invading the Japanese main islands was calculated in the hundreds of thousands.
They had plenty of war material on the main islands.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:49 pm to Hayekian serf
Kinda like the mass murder at Pearl Harbor
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:51 pm to RollTide1987
So what really happened if the government is trying to sell us so hard on this “nuclear bomb” story?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:02 pm to Cajunhawk81
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Only American lives. Unleashing the Atomic bomb on the world caused large swaths of land to become unusable for thousands of years, island chains completely devoid of any life because they are toxic wastelands. The amount of American lives we saved is dwarfed by what was ushered in by dropping those two bombs on Japan, for a war that was already in the bag.
The war was hardly 'in the bag.' We were paying dearly going Pacific island to Pacific island.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:02 pm to Cajunhawk81
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We should have bit the bullet, invaded, waited for the Russians to invade, and got the full scale surrender that was coming anyway.
Hindsight isn't 20/20 in your case, it's pretty ignorant and naive. The fact that the world saw what just two atomic bombs, that were a tiny fraction of the yields of modern strategic warheads, has done very well to regulate them to little more than bluffing pieces for the last 6 decades. The lives lost in Japan not only saved at least as many lives from ending the war, but untold millions had such weapons been used decades later without having a live record of their destructive potential.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:08 pm to Tigers0891
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Didn’t this bomb actually get dropped a few miles away from the actual location, and into a valley further from people? Probably would have killed another twenty five thousand in the “right” spot.
There was also the intended target city where the weather got bad as they approached so they turned southwest to Nagasaki at the last minute.
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