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Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:18 pm to Liberator
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Here are some representative styles of architecture that make NO sense in the timelime OR narrative:
Wait so you think these structures are "Romanesque" and built in the 10th or 11th century ?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:19 pm to Liberator
quote:
Here are some representative styles of architecture that make NO sense in the timelime OR narrative:
Why not?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Millions and millions of dollars are flowing through those ports in both directions. What do you think happens when much wealth is concentrated? Economies grow, industries develop, that requires banks, lawyers, offices, more government, yeesh
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:22 pm to Liberator
Late Imperial era, neoclassical, romanesque, classical roman, and classical greek refers to literally 5 different architecture styles from 5 completely different eras of history.
Late Imperial essentially lines up with the Guilded Age through the Great Depression. This was the time period when the colonial powers largely had abandoned the Americas, and instead scrambled Africa, conquered Indo-China, fought the Opium Wars, etc. The Europeans built massive banks and financial and bureaucratic institutions to manage their burgeoning empires and intimidate the locals into submission. These buildings were typically built of stone, concrete, or brick and covered in plaster. Marble is occasionally used as a decorative tool, but never structurally. Some of these buildings even had metal frames.
Neoclassical is the late 1700’s and early 1800’s. In the U.S., this era is most often referred to as anti-bellum. These large landholding and slaveowning aristocrats sought to mimic roman architecture, but built their homes out of wood, bricks, and plaster rather than stone.
Romanesque is a style of architecture attributed to the early Middle Ages in Europe. This style was particularly prominent in France during the 8th and 9th centuries. It was typically built of heavy stone with zero non-compression bearing elements. Windows are small. These buildings survived because they were built like ancient bomb shelters, presumably to survive fires and frequent sieges. While it’s called Romanesque, it really doesn’t look much like actual roman architecture.
Roman classical architecture is typically from the 1st century BC to the 3rd century AD. Marble is heavily used as a structural element as is hydrophilic concrete. Lead is used as an early version of rebar. This gave romans the ability to use some limited structural elements which could survive tension rather than exclusively compression.
Greek classical has no concrete or rebar elements. Only compression can be used. The main structural elements are massive columns holding up angular roofs.
Mud flood proponents basically argue that all of these architectural styles are the same style from the same time period. When they see a neo-classical plantation home, they see a roman villa. When they see a late Imperial bank in Macau, they see a roman forum. When they see a Romanesque church in France, they see a Roman Basilica.
Modern folks take cities and their functions for granted. They see a city built and ask why would someone build out a city just to facilitate trade? They don’t understand that historically, that was literally the only purpose for cities. Cities existed to facilitate trade. That’s why most of them exist along natural harbors. New York was built out to facilitate trade between Europe and going upriver to the estates along the Hudson.
New Orleans was founded to facilitate trades between farmers in the Ohio, Missouri, Red, and Mississippi river valleys and Europe.
Los Angeles may claim its roots being Hollywood, but it’s real purpose was as a cargo port for trading with Japan, China, and Taiwan.
Cities are built for trade.
Late Imperial essentially lines up with the Guilded Age through the Great Depression. This was the time period when the colonial powers largely had abandoned the Americas, and instead scrambled Africa, conquered Indo-China, fought the Opium Wars, etc. The Europeans built massive banks and financial and bureaucratic institutions to manage their burgeoning empires and intimidate the locals into submission. These buildings were typically built of stone, concrete, or brick and covered in plaster. Marble is occasionally used as a decorative tool, but never structurally. Some of these buildings even had metal frames.
Neoclassical is the late 1700’s and early 1800’s. In the U.S., this era is most often referred to as anti-bellum. These large landholding and slaveowning aristocrats sought to mimic roman architecture, but built their homes out of wood, bricks, and plaster rather than stone.
Romanesque is a style of architecture attributed to the early Middle Ages in Europe. This style was particularly prominent in France during the 8th and 9th centuries. It was typically built of heavy stone with zero non-compression bearing elements. Windows are small. These buildings survived because they were built like ancient bomb shelters, presumably to survive fires and frequent sieges. While it’s called Romanesque, it really doesn’t look much like actual roman architecture.
Roman classical architecture is typically from the 1st century BC to the 3rd century AD. Marble is heavily used as a structural element as is hydrophilic concrete. Lead is used as an early version of rebar. This gave romans the ability to use some limited structural elements which could survive tension rather than exclusively compression.
Greek classical has no concrete or rebar elements. Only compression can be used. The main structural elements are massive columns holding up angular roofs.
Mud flood proponents basically argue that all of these architectural styles are the same style from the same time period. When they see a neo-classical plantation home, they see a roman villa. When they see a late Imperial bank in Macau, they see a roman forum. When they see a Romanesque church in France, they see a Roman Basilica.
Modern folks take cities and their functions for granted. They see a city built and ask why would someone build out a city just to facilitate trade? They don’t understand that historically, that was literally the only purpose for cities. Cities existed to facilitate trade. That’s why most of them exist along natural harbors. New York was built out to facilitate trade between Europe and going upriver to the estates along the Hudson.
New Orleans was founded to facilitate trades between farmers in the Ohio, Missouri, Red, and Mississippi river valleys and Europe.
Los Angeles may claim its roots being Hollywood, but it’s real purpose was as a cargo port for trading with Japan, China, and Taiwan.
Cities are built for trade.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:22 pm to Liberator
You’re a fricking moron.
Not necessarily crazy, just poorly educated and attempting to “reason out” the truth using a low IQ.
Not necessarily crazy, just poorly educated and attempting to “reason out” the truth using a low IQ.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:22 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Why not?
This reminds me of the old courthouse here in LC
WHERE DID IT COME FROM?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well, you being completely wrong about this explains the rest of your "argument"
THIS is Romanesque architecture:
You like others are desperate for a "GOTCHA!!"
You don't even know what the "ARGUMENT"(s) is even about.
Romanesque isn't MY characterization, Sparky.
Now that you've stepped in, can please tell us how EACH style of architecture is assigned? AND EXACTLY WHERE?
After that, move onto the crux of the "debate":
WHO built what and when? Why? For what reason?
And WHY are these massive, often "Romanesque" styled buildings found ALL OVER THE WORLD all precision STONE, using arches, cupola, domes, spires, flying buttresses, towers, and collumns?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:24 pm to Liberator
Wtf is going on in this thread?
There were like 15 countries involved in the administration of the Shanghai International Settlement. For decades until Japan invaded and took over.
There were like 15 countries involved in the administration of the Shanghai International Settlement. For decades until Japan invaded and took over.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:25 pm to Liberator
quote:because Western powers adopted neo-classical for public/Govt buildings
And WHY are these massive, often "Romanesque" styled buildings found ALL OVER THE WORLD all precision STONE, using arches, cupola, domes, spires, flying buttresses, towers, and collumns?
do you think the Romans built the Lincoln Memorial?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:25 pm to PowerTool
POWER TOOL
The irony.
Don't you have a nickel bag and a Kleenex box to polish off today?
The irony.
Don't you have a nickel bag and a Kleenex box to polish off today?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:26 pm to Liberator
quote:
Here are some representative styles of architecture that make NO sense in the timelime OR narrative:
You do realize that the people with the means to become architects back then we're very wealthy and were usually sent abroad (mainly the west) for their education. Is it such a stretch to believe they picked up influences (not to mention they were trained in the style of the day) along the way?
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:28 pm to Liberator
England literally controlled Kenya, South Africa, Hong Kong, Singapore, and a part of Shanghai all at the same time. In addition, Japan, after the Meiji restoration, turned to western architects in order to rapidly industrialize. Many architects and engineers from the United States, Great Britain, France, Germany, and elsewhere were brought in to turn Japan from a feudalist backwater into an industrial militaristic Empire all in the span of about 50 years.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:28 pm to Liberator
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You like others are desperate for a "GOTCHA!!"
No, I'm not. I'm pointing out that your description is wrong, with evidence.
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Romanesque isn't MY characterization, Sparky.
Of course. You're not smart enough to create a conspiracy theory yourself.
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can please tell us how EACH style of architecture is assigned?
I'm not sure what you're asking, exactly, but if you mean "assigned" as in why cultures build different types of architecture, that's up to the culture.
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AND EXACTLY WHERE?
What..exactly where?
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WHO built what and when?
We are telling you. Those buildings look like European styles of the later 19th and early 20th century. The Europeans built them in that time period, at the end of their colonial reigns.
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For what reason?
Again, already explained to you. To build up areas of trade within the empire. Same reason most cities get bigger.
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And WHY are these massive, often "Romanesque" styled buildings found ALL OVER THE WORLD
They're not.
And the European-style building are built over the world b/c Europe colonized the entire world
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:29 pm to OWLFAN86
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do you think the Romans built the Lincoln Memorial?
Or the Lake Charles courthouse
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:30 pm to kingbob
Also, South Africa was also controlled by European governments (which one depends on the year).
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Jake,
I admire your effort, I don't think its working
I admire your effort, I don't think its working
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:37 pm to OWLFAN86
One of the interesting things about Bureaucracy is that it never really goes away. Once there is a power that is established, the next regime tends to clothe itself in the legitimacy of the regime they replaced, maintaining much of the prior’s infrastructure and institutions. The Romans and Greeks dominated the Mediterranean for 1000 years. As such, the barbarians who conquered Rome clothed themselves in its appearance to make themselves appear more legitimate.
While Roman institutions gradually eroded, the architecture survived as a sort of visual clue of control. When European cities eventually rebounded in the later Middle Ages, particularly following the Crusades, their rulers all sought to style themselves as the new “Rome”, and thus attempted to mimic the architecture of that lost era. This was to make themselves appear more powerful and more connected to the historical chain of leadership. When those rulers expanded across the ocean to new lands, this became more paramount than ever before.
While Roman institutions gradually eroded, the architecture survived as a sort of visual clue of control. When European cities eventually rebounded in the later Middle Ages, particularly following the Crusades, their rulers all sought to style themselves as the new “Rome”, and thus attempted to mimic the architecture of that lost era. This was to make themselves appear more powerful and more connected to the historical chain of leadership. When those rulers expanded across the ocean to new lands, this became more paramount than ever before.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 12:38 pm to OWLFAN86
Liberator is one of 3 things:
1) crazy
2) stupid
3) troll
I waffle on which from thread to thread.
This thread has me leaning stupid or troll.
1) crazy
2) stupid
3) troll
I waffle on which from thread to thread.
This thread has me leaning stupid or troll.
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