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re: Olde World Shanghai 1940s [color Remastered]-w/ Olde Roman Architecture / Elect Trams
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:26 am to TigerOnTheMountain
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:26 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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The Freemasons. It’s always the Freemasons.
Not here babe. Or even in the US.
Freemasons never had that kind of skill, know-how, and organization to build out entire cities across the world.
Give 'em some local buildings that copy Roman archtecture OR monuments -- like the Georgia Guidestones or the one in DC -- and maybe.
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:26 am to Liberator
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Still NOTHING about the construction, identity, THOSE dates. THOSE docs. THOSE blueprints. THAT designer.
We never get ANY of it.
You're gonna have to dig a little harder than YouTube and googling from your house to find blueprints and documentation of infrastructure and buildings from 200+ years ago in Shanghai, China. If there even were any to begin with, I'm sure the vast majority of original documents from that time period have been lost to the ravages of time.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:27 am to Liberator
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NOTHING about the construction, identity, THOSE dates. THOSE docs. THOSE blueprints. THAT designer.
Where would you expect to be able to find such information such that you've looked and don't see it? Is there some sort of archival repository for historical building "blueprints" that exists otherwise, outside of this black hole you believe exists for certain eras or locales?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:27 am to Liberator
It's hard to pin down a specific year, but I believe this was earlier footage, probably pre-Japanese occupation (1937). No sign of either the war with Japan, Japanese occupation or the civil war.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:30 am to Liberator
I'm confused. What do you think happened?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:31 am to kingbob
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When the Europeans won the first opium war, Shanghai was a small fishing village. The French built it into one of the world’s most important trading ports. That requires infrastructure.
I doubt doubt that "trade port" part of the Narrative for Shanghai.
KB -- how much Trade was being exchanged that might justify the French or Brits or whomever to build out an entire city? Did you notice the stone and columns of the buildings? How old did they look? There are domes, cupolas, etc like any other European City.
What can't be explained is the degree of planning design, quality, material and building out an ENTIRE CITY including infrastrcture and electric trams (in another country half way across the realm??) for simple trade.
Dunno how much sense -- practical or otherwise that makes.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:36 am to Liberator
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For all this be financed and built -- just as a European trade outlet. Wow.
Do you understand anything about European colonialism? They literally did this everywhere they conquered.
British and French aristocrats did not want to live like they're in the third world, when governing their colonies.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:37 am to Liberator
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building out an ENTIRE CITY
You keep saying this but it's not. The specific area in your video was purposefully built as a hub for westerners. Go look at the Old City in Shanghai and see how much European architecture you find.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:39 am to Liberator
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KB -- how much Trade was being exchanged that might justify the French or Brits or whomever to build out an entire city?
Do you understand the most basic aspects of colonialism?
What do you think New York looked like in 1700 v. 1776?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Where would you expect to be able to find such information such that you've looked and don't see it?
Is there some sort of archival repository for historical building "blueprints" that exists otherwise, outside of this black hole you believe exists for certain eras or locales?
Those are THE Questions of Questions, aren't they? The ones that need the answers we want. (whether in the case of Shanghai's history OR that of basically every American city and town infrastructure.
"Archival repository for historical building 'blueprints'" would help explain incredibly -- rather than, "Shanghai -- a historically important trade route port city in China, essential to European powers for centuries."
What are we given access to?
Library of Congress. I believe there are some historical docs at Berkeley, CA as well.
What are we NOT given access to?
The Smithsonian's historical archives. Vatican archives. Archives said to exists in both Paris and London.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:40 am to Liberator
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Still NOTHING about the construction, identity, THOSE dates. THOSE docs. THOSE blueprints. THAT designer.
There's documentation on any building I looked at including which foreign corporation funded it. It took about 2 seconds to find.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:40 am to IAmNERD
Pretty sure Liberator posted "proof" of a giant a few weeks ago that I quickly found was a clip from a poorly-CGI'd Japanese movie.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:42 am to Liberator
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I doubt doubt that "trade port" part of the Narrative for Shanghai.
KB -- how much Trade was being exchanged that might justify the French or Brits or whomever to build out an entire city? Did you notice the stone and columns of the buildings? How old did they look? There are domes, cupolas, etc like any other European City.
What can't be explained is the degree of planning design, quality, material and building out an ENTIRE CITY including infrastrcture and electric trams (in another country half way across the realm??) for simple trade.
Dunno how much sense -- practical or otherwise that makes.
Dude, imperialist powers did this at every stop along the way in their empire. See Macao by the portugese, see hong kong by the british, see Singapore also by the british, see Hanoi by the French. I can go on and on.
Imperialist powers would build up the local city in the image of what they knew back home.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:46 am to Liberator
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Here's *your* challenge as well:
NOTHING about the construction, identity, THOSE dates. THOSE docs. THOSE blueprints. THAT designer.
Wikipedia has articles on almost every building. Several articles include details of construction, when they were finished, who occupied it and when, the architect is included for some.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:46 am to Emteein
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Imperialist powers would build up the local city in the image of what they knew back home.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:47 am to Liberator
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how much Trade was being exchanged that might justify the French or Brits or whomever to build out an entire city?
China, despite being militarily embarrassed by the Europeans, was the world’s second largest economy with the largest population during the 19th century. Imagine if all of the trade the United States had with the rest of the world could only be done out of 5 ports. Each of those 5 ports would become massive cities.
The exports from China were unbelievably valuable, and China’s modernization required huge imports of things like coal and iron ore. China also had a huge population of opium addicts, and the British were getting rich off of selling Afghani opium to Chinese addicts. The amount of trade flowing through Hong Kong, Macau, or Shanghai dwarfed the entire GDP of most European empires at the time. It was THAT important. Shanghai made New Orleans look like a gas station.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:50 am to IAmNERD
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The specific area in your video was purposefully built as a hub for westerners.
So in your opinion, the downtown buildings seen in the 1940s Shanghai -- along with the electric trams system -- were basically European built for whom? Wealthy Westerners? It's Traders? Appears the buildings may be hundreds of years old. Before you challenge my assertion, NO, I HAVE NO PRECISE IDEA (but I know they aren't recent.)
Does a trade "Hub" require massive stone buildings comprising city blocks?
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Go look at the Old City in Shanghai and see how much European architecture you find.
There is still a lit more than you might think.
If your point is, "Most is torn down", you're right.
MOST of Europe's, American's and Canada's beautiful, irreplaceable urban Olde World architecture has been razed. For cynical, nonsensical reasons. (Like helping erase awkward questions about our undocumented History and replacing those classic building with Replaced by Brutalism and "Futurism".
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:51 am to kingbob
Liberator is a classic sort of modernist who is so acclimated to the modern world that he cannot fathom older populations doing much other than being hunter-gatherers. That's why conspiracy theories fit so well into his world view.
I'd love to hear the theories he parrots as his own about the pyramids in Egypt or the Americas.
I'd love to hear the theories he parrots as his own about the pyramids in Egypt or the Americas.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:53 am to Liberator
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So in your opinion, the downtown buildings seen in the 1940s Shanghai -- along with the electric trams system -- were basically European built for whom? Wealthy Westerners? It's Traders?
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Appears the buildings may be hundreds of years old.
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:54 am to Liberator
As many others have asked: what are you trying to get at here?
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