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re: Oklahoma Police now have device that seizes $$ from bank card
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:26 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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There is nothing obtuse about it. I wouldn't drive a vehicle that I bought while it was still titled to a stranger. That's asking for trouble.
What if it's your wife's vehicle?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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Yawn. You ever noticed that stuff like this doesn't happen to people that don;t go out looking for it?
Yeah. Except that it does.
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After Tan Nguyen was pulled over for driving three miles above the speed limit, he had $50,000 confiscated by a Nevada deputy. According to Nguyen, that money was casino winnings. As reported last week at Forbes, Nguyen “was not arrested or charged with a crime—not even a traffic citation.”
He filed a lawsuit in federal court, arguing his civil rights were violated by an “unconstitutional search and seizure.” In that lawsuit, Nguyen claimed Deputy Lee Dove, who had pulled him over for speeding, threatened to seize and tow his car unless he “got in his car and drove off and forgot this ever happened.”
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Two uniformed men -- an airport police detective and a local Drug Enforcement Administration officer -- approached by Clarke and corralled him into a fluorescent backroom. His checked bag sat on a table. One of the men turned to him and grunted, “This smells like marijuana.” An extensive search ensued, which yielded no trace of drugs in Clarke’s luggage. But buried between t-shirts, in the young man’s bag, the officers discovered something of greater interest: $11,000 in cash.
The cash, earned through five years of hard work at fast-food restaurants and retail outlets, represented Clarke’s life savings -- money he intended to use for tuition fees. But the officers didn’t buy his story. Based solely on the fact that his bag “smelled like weed,” they claimed that the $11,000 was related to drug trafficking and seized it.
How Police Officers Seize Cash From Innocent Americans
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In perhaps one of the most offensive cases of civil forfeiture, federal prosecutors are fighting to keep $167,000 in cash seized during a traffic stop, despite no crime being committed and a judge ordering it be returned in June.
Straughn Gorman was on a cross country trip to California in his motor home when he was pulled over by a Nevada state trooper for allegedly driving too slow on the interstate.
During the stop, the trooper decided he suspected Gorman was hiding money, but no police dog units were available to come to the scene and help him obtain probable cause for a search.
Refusing to let a little thing like “the law” get in the way of a hunch, the determined trooper requested that the county sheriff’s office stop him again with a police dog.
Gorman was stopped again, approximately 50 minutes later for two alleged traffic violations and searched after a police dog alerted to drugs. No drugs were found in his motor home, but they did find approximately $167,000 stashed throughout it.
The infuriating police video of the forfeiture is below, which had been posted on the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
Despite there not being any evidence of a crime – his vehicle, computer, cellphone and the cash, were seized
Feds Who Stole $167,000 in Cash from Innocent Man in Civil Forfeiture Seizure Refusing to Return it Despite Judge’s Order
Guess these folks had it coming, right?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:26 pm to MrSmith
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What if it's your wife's vehicle?
My name is on it, and I know her criminal history.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:26 pm to LNCHBOX
im referring to your collective posts over the last two pages.
you are either 1) just trolling and being argumentative to be funny which is lame or 2) actually as naive as you are portraying in which case i hope you never have to deal with even slightly crooked police because you will not know what hit you.
you are either 1) just trolling and being argumentative to be funny which is lame or 2) actually as naive as you are portraying in which case i hope you never have to deal with even slightly crooked police because you will not know what hit you.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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Guess these folks had it coming, right?
I would love for you to show me anywhere where I say anything remotely similar to that.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:27 pm to bbap
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actually as naive as you are portraying in which case i hope you never have to deal with even slightly crooked police because you will not know what hit you.
I grew up in Kenner. I know a thing or two about nazi police forces.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:28 pm to LNCHBOX
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My name is on it, and I know her criminal history.
I don't mean you specifically, obviously. It's not uncommon for someone to be driving a vehicle legally, that isn't registered to their name.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:28 pm to bbap
quote:Hopefully
1) just trolling and being argumentative to be funny which is lame
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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I grew up in Kenner. I know a thing or two about nazi police forces.
ok so it was opton 1. trolling. congrats i guess.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:29 pm to MrSmith
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It's not uncommon for someone to be driving a vehicle legally, that isn't registered to their name.
Well, this guy's car was taken. Nothing else. If the car didn't belong to me, that's not really too much of a hassle.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:29 pm to LNCHBOX
"I don't carry a lot of cash on me."
That's the point, they don't find any cash so they'll check your bank account balances.
So, unless you have a low bank balance and no cash, you might have an issue.
That's the point, they don't find any cash so they'll check your bank account balances.
So, unless you have a low bank balance and no cash, you might have an issue.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:29 pm to bbap
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ok so it was opton 1. trolling. congrats i guess.
I'm not trolling. I just don't think the military police are coming to get me and all my assets for no reason.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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Guess these folks had it coming, right?
I would love for you to show me anywhere where I say anything remotely similar to that.
In the very post of yours that I quoted you said this....
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Yawn. You ever noticed that stuff like this doesn't happen to people that don;t go out looking for it?
Do you think those three people I listed had gone out looking for it?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:33 pm to Darth_Vader
CAF really, really pisses me off for some reason.
I take and expect the govt' to do all sorts of awful things, but this policy is just a step too far. And it's a shame more Americans don't know about it.
I take and expect the govt' to do all sorts of awful things, but this policy is just a step too far. And it's a shame more Americans don't know about it.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:33 pm to MrSmith
ETA: whoops.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:34 pm to Darth_Vader
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Do you think those three people I listed had gone out looking for it?
I don't know. Did I say they had it coming to them? I feel like I never did.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:35 pm to LNCHBOX
The "well, I won't object because they won't do it to me" people are a huge problem.
Texas enacted huge administrative penalties for people with DUI's. It is a drivers license "fee". The reality is it is a chickenshit way to raise revenue. Since most people won't get DUI's most people won't object.
Same with exorbitant cigarette taxes. Most people don't smoke.
Eventually, you'll be in the group that gets hit.
Country made a huge mistake when the criminal justice system became a funding source and profit center. There should be no private prisons, no forfeiture laws (except for large amounts with lots of due process), no traffic cams, and no "administrative"penalties in addition to criminal fines and costs.
Texas enacted huge administrative penalties for people with DUI's. It is a drivers license "fee". The reality is it is a chickenshit way to raise revenue. Since most people won't get DUI's most people won't object.
Same with exorbitant cigarette taxes. Most people don't smoke.
Eventually, you'll be in the group that gets hit.
Country made a huge mistake when the criminal justice system became a funding source and profit center. There should be no private prisons, no forfeiture laws (except for large amounts with lots of due process), no traffic cams, and no "administrative"penalties in addition to criminal fines and costs.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:36 pm to LNCHBOX
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Well, you linked m to that one. So I addressed that on
Same town different story.
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They pulled into a mini-mart for snacks. When they returned to the highway ten minutes later, Boatright, a honey-blond “Texas redneck from Lubbock,” by her own reckoning, and Henderson, who is Latino, noticed something strange. The same police car that their eleven-year-old had admired in the mini-mart parking lot was trailing them. Near the city limits, a tall, bull-shouldered officer named Barry Washington pulled them over.
He asked if Henderson knew that he’d been driving in the left lane for more than half a mile without passing.
No, Henderson replied. He said he’d moved into the left lane so that the police car could make its way onto the highway.
Were there any drugs in the car? When Henderson and Boatright said no, the officer asked if he and his partner could search the car.
The officers found the couple’s cash and a marbled-glass pipe that Boatright said was a gift for her sister-in-law, and escorted them across town to the police station. In a corner there, two tables were heaped with jewelry, DVD players, cell phones, and the like. According to the police report, Boatright and Henderson fit the profile of drug couriers: they were driving from Houston, “a known point for distribution of illegal narcotics,” to Linden, “a known place to receive illegal narcotics.” The report describes their children as possible decoys, meant to distract police as the couple breezed down the road, smoking marijuana. (None was found in the car, although Washington claimed to have smelled it.)
The county’s district attorney, a fifty-seven-year-old woman with feathered Charlie’s Angels hair named Lynda K. Russell, arrived an hour later. Russell, who moonlighted locally as a country singer, told Henderson and Boatright that they had two options. They could face felony charges for “money laundering” and “child endangerment,” in which case they would go to jail and their children would be handed over to foster care. Or they could sign over their cash to the city of Tenaha, and get back on the road. “No criminal charges shall be filed,” a waiver she drafted read, “and our children shall not be turned over to CPS,” or Child Protective Services.
Child endangerment, racketeering, and removal of children... over a glass pipe with no drugs if they refuse to sign over their belongings.
Tell me with a straight face this seems justified to you.
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:37 pm to yoga girl
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Same with exorbitant cigarette taxes. Most people don't smoke.
That's an awful example. Poor health cost tax payers and people that actually pay for their insurance a boat load of money yearly.
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Country made a huge mistake when the criminal justice system became a funding source and profit center.
I'm guessing you think I disagree with this. I don't.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:38 pm to LNCHBOX
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grew up in Kenner
Damn it. Graduated within a year of each other, from Kenner... I hate the fact I probably know you IRL.
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