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re: Officer-involved shooting in Minneapolis. 20 year old black male shot and killed. (update)
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
You don’t see the thousands of videos of police successfully subduing a violent criminal.
The thousands of examples of cops subduing violent criminals without killing them is exactly why this particular example is totally unacceptable.
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
My point is that this won’t be viewed as a mistake. It will be viewed as the police are systemically racist and are killing black males intentionally.
And I will argue that point as I don't think it was a racist killing, just a bad cop who should suffer consequences for her negligence.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
agree. She did make a mistake. My point is that this won’t be viewed as a mistake. It will be viewed as the police are systemically racist and are killing black males intentionally. Do you disagree?
Who in this thread is stating it?
I know some people are, which is why sporting events are postponed, but I have yet to see that here.
Will you admit this cop deserves to face consequences and possibly charges for her incompetence/negligence?
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:10 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
But he's only half black
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:12 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
The thousands of examples of cops subduing violent criminals without killing them is exactly why this particular example is totally unacceptable.
No it’s not. Just because it can be done correctly doesn’t mean that it is going to be done correctly 100% of the time.
Planes crash
Medical mistakes happen
People die because of these mistakes but we don’t say something is inherently wrong with the system. We say “yea that’s a risk we take”.
Yet somehow we can’t admit there is a risk to committing crime and fighting police.
Every one of these videos involves someone who committed a crime or was presently committing a crime fighting and resisting officers.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:12 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Oh yeah, clearly I’m the unhinged one in this thread
You're not. You didn't even mention race in your initial post, yet the person who replied did, extensively.
That reaction proves the point I made earlier: there is no nuance in this debate. It is possible, and productive, to place blame on all involved. None of the people involved in this incident arrived at that point solely as a result of their own actions. The individual who is dead has blame, as does the officer who fired the shot. Minimizing or dismissing either is a non-starter in regards to productive debate.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:13 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
Will you admit this cop deserves to face consequences and possibly charges for her incompetence/negligence?
100% think that she should.
That’s not what’s about to happen. Did you not listen to the press conference? Did you not see the riots where they hit a police officer in the head with a brick?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You have the luxury of knowing the cop walked away from that situation. If the video ends with the kid getting a gun out of the glove compartment and killing the cop what is your response? “Oh that’s not a problem, that’s just the risk an officer takes when they wear the badge”
Well there is a risk you take when you fight the cops and have a warrant for your arrest.
For one, Ive already stated that I thought the shooting could technically be justified. If a suspect is under arrest, and he reaches inside/gets inside of the vehicle, than the shooting would be justified. Now let's say that for whatever reason the cops didn't shoot, and the suspect drove away, they are not justified in blasting at him. That's when car chase sequence begins.
However, back to this specific circumstance, what fricks this up is the actual bodycam. The video is 100% clear that she did not mean to fire her firearm. In that instant, she didn't believe her Daunte to be a lethal threat just yet, but she fired a gun anuways. Thus in this specific instant, she is wrong. Yes Daunte is wrong because he should have simply allows himself to be arrested and go to jail, but that doesn't mean lady officer was not also at fault..
Yes there are risks when you fight cops, that's why it's an absolute terrible thing to do always. However, the law is still the law, and policy is still policy. The police aren't allowed to break the law/break policy just because a suspect broke the law.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:17 pm to QJenk
How can the shooting be justified but if she meant to fire a taser and fired a gun then it’s not justified and possibly criminal?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:20 pm to Displaced
Maybe you cant hold a conversation because you cant follow one
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:21 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Yeh I dont see why the "she meant to use the taser" matters in the end
We have a wanted criminal on video resist arrest, jump into his car, and continue fighting.
Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
We have a wanted criminal on video resist arrest, jump into his car, and continue fighting.
Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:21 pm to WaWaWeeWa
One thing I get a kick out of is the warrant was for an unregistered firearm, yet I'd bet the vast majority of those siding with the cop are against 2nd amendment infringements.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:22 pm to Nado Jenkins83
What was he pulled over for? All I see is a generic 'traffic violation'. The warrant check was afterwards.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
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Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
You have to have your head majorly up your arse to think Kyle Rittenhouse did anything wrong, and a great many people think he should rot in prison. That should answer your question.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
Yes.
Resisting arrest is not an automatic death sentence.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
If she thought lethal force was warranted, she would have intentionally used lethal force.
The fact that she meant to use the taser indicates that she did not fear her life was threatened.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:24 pm to hyzersoze
Expired tags
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:25 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
How can the shooting be justified but if she meant to fire a taser and fired a gun then it’s not justified and possibly criminal?
Because she literally said "Taser taser taser!" And shot a gun. Her frick-up resulted in someone losing their life. By her firing her taser, that's her basically admitting she did not believe deadly force was warranted at that moment.
She will be fired from her job. She will go to court, will she be convicted, idk? That's not a point that I'm trying to prove.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:26 pm to QJenk
quote:
Yes there are risks when you fight cops, that's why it's an absolute terrible thing to do always. However, the law is still the law, and policy is still policy. The police aren't allowed to break the law/break policy just because a suspect broke the law.
It's a damn shame this thread is so lacking in this kind of thought.
Taser = did not fear for her life = not a justified shot. They'll press charges, and it's in the best interest of the officer to take a plead out and not waste the legal system's time given they don't stick her with an unjust charge (which is sadly likely in today's society)
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:26 pm to Tiajuana lips
quote:Pretty good.. great weekend and now back to the grind. Tired of the media pushing their agenda while ignoring other sides. I feel for the black community who are being used. No one should fear being killed in a standard traffic stop even if they follow all commands. I'm not surprised this is happening up there but still sad to see it actually happening. ??
Hey MSU dawg how are you doing today
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