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re: Officer-involved shooting in Minneapolis. 20 year old black male shot and killed. (update)
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:26 pm to Neilfish
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:26 pm to Neilfish
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if a criminal tries to escape, the cops will have to let the criminal go to reduce the risk of resisting. Thus no one gets shoot.
I think various non engagement laws have been fine.
High speed chases seem to cause as much damage as letting the people walk, for instance.
If some goober is passed out in his car piss drunk, and you have his ID and vehicle, it might not be worth the wrestling match to apprehend him as we saw in that Atlanta incident (I know, I know, I got a lot of what if he carjacked someone and then ran drunkenly ran over a bunch of nuns type arguments last time)
It’ll never be a perfect system, but I think it’s fair to evaluate the outcomes of various courses of action and not just lean on “comply or we all are subject to high risk follow up”
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:27 pm to DixonCider
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they don't stick her with an unjust charge (which is sadly likely in today's society)
Murder 1 charge incoming, count on it
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:27 pm to NoSaint
Just seems tricky here
What if they did in fact find a gun under his seat? Even though she thought she didnt fear for her life, she fricking should have
What if they did in fact find a gun under his seat? Even though she thought she didnt fear for her life, she fricking should have
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:28 pm to QJenk
the cop that did the same thing in Kansas was charged with aggravated battery but I'm pretty sure those charges were eventually dropped. She screamed taser as she fired her weapon just like this incident.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
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Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
Please tell me you're not a cop.
In 99.9% of cases, you can't shoot someone because they're fleeing from an arrest. You have their information. You have video proof of what happened. You put out on the radio that this suspect should be apprehended and go about your business. You don't just start firing your weapon in public because someone with a warrant is trying to evade arrest.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:28 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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That’s not what’s about to happen. Did you not listen to the press conference? Did you not see the riots where they hit a police officer in the head with a brick?
No I did not. frick those people.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:29 pm to lsupride87
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Are there really going to truly be strong arguments that lethal force isnt justified there?
yeah, really and truly.
you don’t get to use deadly force just because someone is fleeing from you.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:29 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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you can't shoot someone because they're fleeing from an arrest.
This guy was doing more than fleeing. Why always so disingenuous?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:29 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:I mean someone with a warrant for a stolen weapon jumping into their vehicle and fighting you kinda screams he might be getting a weapon to shoot me
Please tell me you're not a cop.
In 99.9% of cases, you can't shoot someone because they're fleeing from an arrest. You have their information. You have video proof of what happened. You put out on the radio that this suspect should be apprehended and go about your business. You don't just start firing your weapon in public because someone with a warrant is trying to evade arrest.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:29 pm to NoSaint
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It’ll never be a perfect system, but I think it’s fair to evaluate the outcomes of various courses of action and not just lean on “comply or we all are subject to high risk follow up”
As long as that evaluation includes the actions of the perpetrator, I'm good with that. Again, diminishing personal accountability on one side while demanding the highest standard of it on the other is a non-starter, at least for me.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:30 pm to Ed Osteen
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the cop that did the same thing in Kansas was charged with aggravated battery but I'm pretty sure those charges were eventually dropped. She screamed taser as she fired her weapon just like this incident.
Did the victim die?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:30 pm to NorthTxLSU
quote:How do we know he was fleeing, and not fighting?
you don’t get to use deadly force just because someone is fleeing from you.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:30 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
In 99.9% of cases, you can't shoot someone because they're fleeing from an arrest. You have their information. You have video proof of what happened. You put out on the radio that this suspect should be apprehended and go about your business. You don't just start firing your weapon in public because someone with a warrant is trying to evade arrest.
exactly. would be different if he had a weapon or posed an immediate threat to the public
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:31 pm to NorthTxLSU
quote:Please tell me how the cop would know the man with a warrant for weapons charges didnt have a weapon in his car that he was jumping into
would be different if he had a weapon
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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This guy was doing more than fleeing. Why always so disingenuous?
I've been working all day. I saw this morning that they tried to arrest him, he jumped back into his car and tried to take off but the officer shot him as he was pulling away. Car drifted down the road until hitting another vehicle.
What's changed?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:31 pm to Displaced
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Murder 1 charge incoming, count on it
That would be so screwed up
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:32 pm to lsupride87
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How do we know he was fleeing, and not fighting?
there is literal footage of him jumping into the drivers seat and attempting to take off
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:32 pm to Displaced
I don't believe so
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:32 pm to Displaced
quote:There are two ways to look at it. From all indications it was an honest mistake so enough with the incitement of violence. As to the family...you get your justice from a civil lawsuit against the city. I know that's not what people want to hear but that's the reality of the situation.
Would you accept it if it were a family member of yours?
If they keep pushing and rioting there's no way a conviction in the DC trial will stand as an easy argument can be made to the appeals court that the jurors impartiality was compromised.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:33 pm to BuckyCheese
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One thing I get a kick out of is the warrant was for an unregistered firearm, yet I'd bet the vast majority of those siding with the cop are against 2nd amendment infringements.
That’s not even close to the gotcha you think it is.
Cops don’t make the law. They just enforce it.
He had a warrant and was arrested because we have strict gun laws.
Who wants strict gun laws?
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