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re: Officer-involved shooting in Minneapolis. 20 year old black male shot and killed. (update)
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:37 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:37 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Again, I'll say that I'm not interested in debating hypothetical situations. I'm talking about this situation and what happened in this stop.
Don't paint with a broad brush. That's the same tactic as "racist cops only shoot unarmed black men."
Don't paint with a broad brush. That's the same tactic as "racist cops only shoot unarmed black men."
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:37 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You don’t make policy decisions based on emotions.
Virtually all national policy is now being decided on "emotion."
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:38 pm to Displaced
quote:No. But I also wouldn't want a bunch of dipshits looting, rioting, and burning down the city in the name of "justice" because a cop made an unintentional mistake.
Would you accept it if it were a family member of yours?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Seriously? Surely you realize not all mistakes are weighed the same. If I forget to take out the trash because I got busy with other things. That is a mistake. If I forgot to put the toilet seat down, that is a mistake. My wife may fuss or get annoyed. But ultimately no big deal.
But if my wife and I were play fighting or something, and I pushed her too hard to the point where an absolute freak accident occured and she hit her head and died, unless I have a great lawyer, there's a good chance my arse is going to jail.
All mistakes are not the same. Thus, they won't be judged the same.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:39 pm to LegendInMyMind
Absolutely agree. I think the poor performance by many police officers prove the need for further training. We want to and should hold police officers to higher standards than the general public. In order to do that properly we need to provide them better training. That requires better funding/dedicated funds for training.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:40 pm to Oilfieldbiology
You act like the absence of emotion leads to logical decisions. The two work hand in hand as long as the person isn’t hysterical
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:40 pm to Displaced
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Again, I'll say that I'm not interested in debating hypothetical situations. I'm talking about this situation and what happened in this stop. Don't paint with a broad brush. That's the same tactic as "racist cops only shoot unarmed black men."
I’ll take your silence as an admission that there is some level of risk of death when you consciously decide to fight the cops.
Given that reality, and given the ridiculous amount of crime committed by one segment of the population. There are bound to be incidents like this.
Fire the cop and hire better people with more training, what other logical outcome do you think will correct this so called problem?
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:43 pm to WicKed WayZ
No, I’m acting like policy makers should be significantly more logical than emotional. Logical laws are generally just laws. Emotional laws almost always result in significant infringement upon and losses of freedoms.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:44 pm to QJenk
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Seriously? Surely you realize not all mistakes are weighed the same. If I forget to take out the trash because I got busy with other things. That is a mistake. If I forgot to put the toilet seat down, that is a mistake. My wife may fuss or get annoyed. But ultimately no big deal
For sure. Have a trial and convict her.
The problem is the issue of hindsight.
You have the luxury of knowing the cop walked away from that situation. If the video ends with the kid getting a gun out of the glove compartment and killing the cop what is your response? “Oh that’s not a problem, that’s just the risk an officer takes when they wear the badge”
Well there is a risk you take when you fight the cops and have a warrant for your arrest.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Mom, I’m getting pulled over,” and “they’re asking about insurance.”
And.....that’s the same thing EVERYONE is asked.
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“Dante don’t run”
I’m going to refrain from commenting at the risk of being banned.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’ll take your silence as an admission that there is some level of risk of death when you consciously decide to fight the cops.
I'm not denying that, but that is not relevant in this situation so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.
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Given that reality, and given the ridiculous amount of crime committed by one segment of the population. There are bound to be incidents like this.
Nice non sequitur to unnecessarily insert race, but this incident should never happen.
quote:dunno, learn the difference between a pistol and a taser?
Fire the cop and hire better people with more training, what other logical outcome do you think will correct this so called problem?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:51 pm to Displaced
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I'm not denying that, but that is not relevant in this situation so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.
It absolutely is relevant. You want to take a myopic view because it helps your argument.
I’m saying you are suffering from selection bias. You only see the videos of a suspect being killed. You don’t see the thousands of videos of police successfully subduing a violent criminal.
That’s why you say this is unacceptable.
I say this is a logical outcome of a lot of criminals fighting the cops.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Essentially skipping a step in escalation of violence (essentially bypassing the taser and immediately using the pistol) when there is a clear lack of immediately life threatening actions is unacceptable. Had she tased him and he kept fighting, or had she seen a gun, I think 90% of the people disagreeing or calling for discipline of the officer would be on your side.
But the fact of the matter is there wasn’t a gun in this instance and the officer recognized the situation called for a taser to be deployed. But she didn’t do that, she used her pistol and accidentally/mistakenly killed him.
In the instances of Sterling, Michael brown, and others the police didn’t make mistakes. This singular instance she did. And that mistake resulted in a man’s death.
But the fact of the matter is there wasn’t a gun in this instance and the officer recognized the situation called for a taser to be deployed. But she didn’t do that, she used her pistol and accidentally/mistakenly killed him.
In the instances of Sterling, Michael brown, and others the police didn’t make mistakes. This singular instance she did. And that mistake resulted in a man’s death.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:03 pm to red sox fan 13
Two things may come of this:
- cops will no longer have guns to reduce the risk of an accidental shooting/mistake. Only non-lethal weapons.
- if a criminal tries to escape, the cops will have to let the criminal go to reduce the risk of resisting. Thus no one gets shoot.
This is the way our law makers will think, which will be a mistake.
- cops will no longer have guns to reduce the risk of an accidental shooting/mistake. Only non-lethal weapons.
- if a criminal tries to escape, the cops will have to let the criminal go to reduce the risk of resisting. Thus no one gets shoot.
This is the way our law makers will think, which will be a mistake.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:04 pm to Neilfish
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- cops will no longer have guns to reduce the risk of an accidental shooting/mistake. Only non-lethal weapons.
Inner cities will have zero police presence if this is the case.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:04 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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absolutely is relevant. You want to take a myopic view because it helps your argument.
I’m saying you are suffering from selection bias. You only see the videos of a suspect being killed. You don’t see the thousands of videos of police successfully subduing a violent criminal.
I am not making any statements either way about large swaths of police encounters. That is pointless itt.
I'm not suffering selection bias, I am mereling evaluating this single situation. I'm not sure why you keep trying to take larger points (which may be valid) to evaluate this instance. Other interactions to not have a bearing in this case.
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I say this is a logical outcome of a lot of criminals fighting the cops
She meant to grab a taser but shot and killed him instead...
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:05 pm to Displaced
So she would have hunted him down if he wasn't a thug wannabe?
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:06 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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So she would have hunted him down if he wasn't a thug wannabe?
Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:07 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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In the instances of Sterling, Michael brown, and others the police didn’t make mistakes. This singular instance she did. And that mistake resulted in a man’s death.
I agree. She did make a mistake.
My point is that this won’t be viewed as a mistake. It will be viewed as the police are systemically racist and are killing black males intentionally.
Do you disagree?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:07 pm to WicKed WayZ
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You act like the absence of emotion leads to logical decisions.
Since January, all policy decisions are based on fairy tales and heresay.
You're believing the fairy tales of women and children.
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