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re: Octavius (Augustus) Caesar: Cruel sniveling coward or great Roman (or both)?
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:34 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:34 pm to Methuselah
Et tu brute
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:35 pm to BookahBear
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Hannibal was the man
frick you
Carthago delenda est
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:15 am to Priapus
frick you and Marius.
Sulla was the greatest Roman and I'm not kidding.
Sulla was the greatest Roman and I'm not kidding.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:18 am to Sid in Lakeshore
The greatest roman was jesus christ if you consider israel to have ever been a part of the roman empire and not just playing it cool til it was time to fight the war of northern aggression
Much like Jesus' other favorite state, the confederacy
Much like Jesus' other favorite state, the confederacy
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:27 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Who was the Greatest Roman?
Caligula would have risen to Governor of Alabama had he lived today.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:31 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Marius? Tiberius? Julius Caesar? Gnaeus Pompey? Octavian/Augustus?
Honestly? Probably Scipio Africanus. He was the best pure general Rome ever had, and he was far better than most on your list.
Crassus deserves no place in this discussion. He was wealthy beyond belief and threw his weight around, but beyond that, he exhibited no extraordinary traits.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:48 am to athenslife101
His daughter and his granddaughter.....both Julia's .....were exiled. The first for performing lewd sex acts and talking shite about him in the public baths. The granddaughter for sex acts and opening her mouth about his succession plan with Tiberius. He was a very forgiving man but was deeply wounded/offended when those he felt the closest to betrayed him.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 6:54 am to prplhze2000
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Sulla was the greatest Roman and I'm not kidding.
Purely in terms of badassery, yes. Julius Caesar rode a mule for ten years because Sulla forbade him to ride a horse.
But then there's that whole "liked to frick children" thing. I've gotta subtract a few points on that.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 7:00 am to Methuselah
Agrippa was to Augustus as Bismarck was to Wilhelm. That said part of being a great leader is surrounding yourself with great help.
Augustus was shrewd and knew how to use his strengths and mask his weaknesses and was a very successful leader and a major reason Rome became the Empire it did.
Augustus was shrewd and knew how to use his strengths and mask his weaknesses and was a very successful leader and a major reason Rome became the Empire it did.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 7:37 am to RandySavage
why all the Hannibal hate? guy messed with the Roman like nobody. i wish they could figure out his route over the mountains
Posted on 1/12/16 at 8:57 am to BookahBear
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why all the Hannibal hate? guy messed with the Roman like nobody. i wish they could figure out his route over the mountains
Well, two reasons I can think of :
1- The thread started about Romans, not Carthaginians. (Though as far as I'm concerned, we can discuss Carthaginians too if anyone wants).
2- I think his exploits, as great as they were, ended up with his "country" defeated and a lot of the fields salted by the Romans.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:08 am to BookahBear
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Hannibal was the man
Yes Hannibal was a great Roman
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:10 am to el Gaucho
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The greatest roman was jesus christ if you consider israel to have ever been a part of the roman empire and not just playing it cool til it was time to fight the war of northern aggression
Don't be silly.
The answer is Paul.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 9:33 am to biglego
Marcus Aurelius was perhaps the greatest Roman emperor ever.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 10:03 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Julius Caesar was better. His victory at Alesia was more innovative and impressive than anything before or since. It took serious discipline, meticulous execution and HUGE balls.
Scipio Africanus. He was the best pure general Rome ever had
Posted on 1/12/16 at 10:15 am to blueboy
The stakes were higher for Scipio. Julius never went up against Hannibal.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 10:29 am to biglego
Well, that wouldn't have been possible, and Hannibal's troops were depleted and physically beaten after the long marches. His famous elephants were replaced at a moment's notice and didn't have the training that they normally would have, which made it easier for Scipio's troops to herd and confuse them.
And in addition to his crowning victory, Caesar basically went on a continental European tour of asswhipping, repeatedly routing the hated Celts and attaining almost godlike status among the people.
I will say, Scipio's strategy was funnier. I've always wondered what would have happened if Hannibal had continued his siege and conquest of Rome, allowing the two armies to basically just take over each other's home capital.
And in addition to his crowning victory, Caesar basically went on a continental European tour of asswhipping, repeatedly routing the hated Celts and attaining almost godlike status among the people.
I will say, Scipio's strategy was funnier. I've always wondered what would have happened if Hannibal had continued his siege and conquest of Rome, allowing the two armies to basically just take over each other's home capital.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:08 am to blueboy
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I will say, Scipio's strategy was funnier. I've always wondered what would have happened if Hannibal had continued his siege and conquest of Rome, allowing the two armies to basically just take over each other's home capital.
would've been more interesting to read about in the history books. But I think it would've turned out worse for Hannibal. Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:08 am to biglego
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The stakes were higher for Scipio. Julius never went up against Hannibal.
Vercingetorex was no slouch.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 11:33 am to RandySavage
Belisarius
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