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re: Obamacare is Coming After Your Craft Beer

Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:35 am to
Really though. Who sits around and thinks of stupid legislation like this?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104451 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:35 am to
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They have the beer information written on a chalkboard. I'm wondering if simply riding the caloric information on the board will fulfill this stupid arse requirement.


Yes, it will. But they will also have to keep the full nutrition info on hand in case someone requests it. Which means breweries will have to test their beers to determine this info. Calories are easy to calculate from the recipes, not sure about the rest of the info.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11812 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:36 am to
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$77,000 to implement


I find this realllly hard to believe. but then I considered the source of the OP's article. Front page is just a little biased.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61530 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:36 am to
lol angry hipsters
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3984 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:37 am to
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I considered the source of the OP's article

Smart man.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79784 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:39 am to
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But they will also have to keep the full nutrition info on hand in case someone requests it.


Plus all the one off casks and kegs too. No more infusions?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111638 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:41 am to
I was going to make the argument that the whole point of this is rather silly, as I would think the difference amongst different 'regular' beers is all quite negligible.

Then I found this and saw that it can actually be quite disparate: LINK

Why are Becks and Fat Tire such outliers here as far as calorie content?

I still think it's a shite law/regulation, just asking.
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89507 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:44 am to
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It's pretty well documented that nutrition labels on food products hasn't done anything to curb obesity in America.
That's a whole other debate. That's a paradigm shift in how we grow, produce and cook food in our homes and our schools. We need a new way of thinking on that.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22546 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:46 am to
I would like to see the calorie count
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:49 am to
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I find this realllly hard to believe. but then I considered the source of the OP's article


You don't like the Cato Institute?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104451 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:51 am to
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Plus all the one off casks and kegs too. No more infusions?


quote:

Also a calorie range, such as 95-150 calories, may be used if the menu uses generic terms like “beer,” “light beer,” “red wine,” or “white wine” and there are three or more items available within a category. However, if beers are listed by brand name, style, or category a caloric value must be provided next to each beer offered that corresponds with the serving size being provided to the consumer. Additional nutrition information must be available upon request from the consumer including calories, calories from fat, total fat, saturated fat, trans fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrates, dietary fiber, sugars and protein.


I'm sure they can get a little wiggle room for one-off things. Restaurants aren't required to provide calories in their one-off daily specials, for instance, only for regular menu items.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3984 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:53 am to
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You don't like the Cato Institute?


The Cato Institute didn't say anything about brewers.

The regulations apply to restaurants and other places that serve prepared foods, and only those with at least 20 locations.

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A U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) ruling that requires chain establishments with more than 20 locations to list caloric information on their menus may have left a significant gray area for craft beer.

“The restaurants and similar retail establishments can use a variety of sources to get the nutritional information,” said Jessica Leighton, a senior advisor for nutrition science and policy with the FDA. “There are numerous databases that are available. They [retailers] don’t need to get any specific information for beer and wine.”

FDA officials told Brewbound that they would allow “significant flexibility” for the caloric disclosures of alcohol beverages and would enforce the new rules on a “reasonable basis.”

“We are not going to do a laboratory analysis of a food or alcoholic beverage if that is not what the establishment has done,” said Claudine Kavanaugh, an FDA nutrition scientist.

Instead, Kavanaugh said, the FDA will assess how an establishment calculated the caloric value of a product and use that method as a means of enforcing the new regulations.

Beers sold on grocery store shelves will not be required to display calorie counts, the FDA said.

...the new menu labeling rules only targets retailers, and not beverage producers themselves...

...the FDA ruling does not mean producers will need to make label adjustmentents...



LINK
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:01 pm to
Obama better be careful that he doesn't piss off the neckbeards. If he fricks with Frisbee golf then a democrat may never win the white house again.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted by TigersforEver
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2008
1930 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:07 pm to
No reason to comply with this or pay the fine. No sane person recognizes obamacare as legitimate anyway.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12458 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:09 pm to
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I don't see anything wrong with posting calorie amounts. Can only help with decisions with what to drink. It's information I would like to know. Don't like that we are legislating it though.


A beer company doing it on their own is one thing but the gooberment forcing it is bullshite.

Also, was this in the original obamacare or it something that was later added?
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:11 pm to
Leftist logic: it probably wont hurt that many so it's justified.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
17102 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:17 pm to
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Really though. Who sits around and thinks of stupid legislation like this?


The govt thinks it's job is to constantly legislate. If they aren't passing laws they aren't doing their job (in their minds).

It's quite apparent when you hear them whine and scream about "gridlock". Gridlock is a good thing in my book.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:26 pm to
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I find this realllly hard to believe. but then I considered the source of the OP's article. Front page is just a little biased


You support this?
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:28 pm to
Ok lets say it cost $20,000. Thats half of a yearly salary for some small breweries.

I wish the government would start regulating jobs leftists do like for instance professional protesters or social media antagonizers.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
23178 posts
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:07 pm to
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I don't see anything wrong with posting calorie amounts. Can only help with decisions with what to drink. It's information I would like to know.



Good for you.

quote:

Don't like that we are legislating it though.



And here is evidence of one of the greatest cons ever perpetrated on the American people: the conflation of regulation with legislation.

You see, it was not, in fact, your elected representatives that woke up and said "every single drink in a restaurant needs nutrition labeling because people are dumb and I have to save them. If the brewer can't do it, then they don't deserve to sell their beer."

It was regulators. If the media was once the 4th branch of government, it has now been brusquely shoved into 5th place by the army of the new 4th branch: the administrative state.

Obamacare, the law that Democrats passed without a single Republican vote, does not expressly marginalize and screw craft beer. In order to find that directive, you have to go to 21 CFR 101.11, a regulation cooked by by an agency full of unelected bureaucrats. These are the feds who seem to invade every single corner of the universe with their standards, requirements, fines, and protocols. They are the best friends of big business, lawyers, and lobbyists.

The next time you are told that a hairbrush cannot be carried onto a plane, or that your dog needs slippers to walk on the public grass, or that you can no longer enjoy your favorite local ale on Friday at dinner, ask yourself "did my elected representatives want this?" Chances are, your ire can be traced back to some cubicle who will draw a pension after 20 years of "public service."
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