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re: NTSB releases preliminary report from Lafayette plane crash on 12/28
Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:46 pm to mikelbr
Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:46 pm to mikelbr
quote:No. I can think of no physiological problems that would occur at sea level and low speeds. Either the pilot had a heart attack or some other medical condition or he became completely disoriented in the low clouds and didn’t realize until it was way too late and tried to level the wings just before impact.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is this likely b/c takeoffs are high-stress situations for pilots of small airplanes in low visibility?
Just wondering if it's a physiological thing or something external like forces, pressure, etc?
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:47 pm to baldona
When do autopsy reports for something like this come back? I'd assume they perform one on the pilot I mean?
Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:50 pm to mikelbr
I was thinking the pilot got spatial disorientation from the low cloud bank that they flew in. When they broke the cloud bank and the pilot saw how low they were he went wings level but by that time it was too late. According to the report based on how high they were and the rate of decent the pilot only had around 10-15 seconds max before impact. He isn't going to send a radio transmission the only thing he would be doing to going wings level and trying to land if possible.
Lost a friend of mine in beechcraft bonanza to the exact same thing. It can happen to the best of pilots.
Lost a friend of mine in beechcraft bonanza to the exact same thing. It can happen to the best of pilots.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 4:56 pm to NOBOTIGER
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He may have got into the clouds and just mentally shut down...
According to a buddy of mine who is a pilot and former pilot for a few Louisiana governors, "the piper is a finicky difficult to fly POS that is a pain in the arse on take offs."
His words. Not mine. But he's never steered me wrong on planes or guns.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:01 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
Valid, but I still don't understand why the pilot didn't respond to the air traffic controllers when alerted about low altitude? The lack of communication from the cockpit seems like there was some type of medical problem to me.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:02 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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He isn't going to send a radio transmission the only thing he would be doing to going wings level and trying to land if possible.
Right, aviate, navigate and communicate. In that order.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:07 pm to MountainTiger
What I don't understand is the max power thing...
That plan with 8 souls is nowhere near capacity.
Stupid uninformed guess but I'm thinking it could tote almost 4k lbs pretty easy.
That plan with 8 souls is nowhere near capacity.
Stupid uninformed guess but I'm thinking it could tote almost 4k lbs pretty easy.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:08 pm to baldona
Normal behavior for a heart attack - everyone is different. If its your first and its a grab the chest, blinding pain then its probably your last heart attack (not always). If its a steady buildup and you realize that something isn't right then you probably have time to call 911 or make it to the hospital. Aspirin is your friend if you are over 40. Or younger if it runs in the family.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:08 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:13 pm to X123F45
quote:I don’t want to say for certain because I don’t have the manual for that plane in front of me. But I will say with high confidence that the plane was near max gross weight.
That plan with 8 souls is nowhere near capacity.
quote:Everyone takes off at max available power. Also I think the NTSB report states that eye witnesses claimed to think the plane was at max power. Eye witness reports for plane crashes are effectively useless. Especially in regards to engine noises.
What I don't understand is the max power thing...
That being said, assuming there was no mechanical failures I would assume both engines were still at max power for that phase of flight.
As to now radio communication, it’s of course possible that there was a medical issue, but even if the pilot wasn’t incapacitated at the time, communicating on the radio would be the last of his priorities in a dangerous situation. Whether situation be mechanical or self induced.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:20 pm to The Pirate King
My money is on spatial disorientation, unrecognized decent before it was too late, came out the clouds, sink rate too high to recover it, hit the power lines, then hit the parking lot.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:20 pm to The Pirate King
Until proven otherwise I am going with spatial disorientation of the pilot. The high revving of the engines was probably due to the throttles still set for takeoff power and the engines being suddenly unloaded by the steep decent causing them to possibly over speed.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:16 pm to big_tuna
quote:
The lack of communication from the cockpit seems like there was some type of medical problem to me.
Even if a pilot is fully conscious, when he's fighting for his life, giving a play by play to someone who isn't there isn't really high on his "shite what I need to do right now" list.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:33 pm to LongueCarabine
quote:
Only the passenger who survived will be able to shed much more light on this.
Assuming he remembers anything.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:34 pm to TigerstuckinMS
We really learned nothing from this report. Eyewitness reports of engine speed can be taken with a grain of salt. No way coming out of the low cloud deck could a typical person determine if one of both engines are at full power.
Engine analysis will tell more and I am going with a left engine not producing power.
Engine analysis will tell more and I am going with a left engine not producing power.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:38 pm to BHM
I thought initially that he lost an engine. Agree with others that he became disoriented.
Ground witnesses won’t help much.
Ground witnesses won’t help much.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:54 pm to X123F45
quote:
What I don't understand is the max power thing...
That plan with 8 souls is nowhere near capacity.
Stupid uninformed guess but I'm thinking it could tote almost 4k lbs pretty easy.
Useful load on that aircraft is around 3,100 lbs. Figure six people on board.. 1,200 lbs for payload. That leaves 1,900 lbs or about 300 gal. for fuel. I figure they were pretty close to max take off weight if they were carrying a little extra fuel for the bad weather in ATL that morning.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:58 pm to big_tuna
quote:
Valid, but I still don't understand why the pilot didn't respond to the air traffic controllers when alerted about low altitude? The lack of communication from the cockpit seems like there was some type of medical problem to me.
Or his hands were very full with an impending crash and meaningless chatter wasn’t a priority
Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:00 pm to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
Even if a pilot is fully conscious, when he's fighting for his life, giving a play by play to someone who isn't there isn't really high on his " shite what I need to do right now" list.
Right- it’s one thing if he has minutes, but in the case of mere seconds I’m guessing he’s 100% focused and not trying to talk out solutions.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:01 pm to baldona
quote:
When do autopsy reports for something like this come back? I'd assume they perform one on the pilot I mean?
Not to be callous but where there any body's recovered?
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