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re: Nottoway Plantation on fire
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:13 pm to StrongSafety
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:13 pm to StrongSafety
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It's time to move on. That side lost the battle and war.
Maybe you should look in the mirror.......
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 2:16 pm
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Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:19 pm to OutOfNames
I’m thinking many are bots. If you read some of the comments across the various articles they are identical.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:16 pm to saderade
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All of Reddit
Their argument is the place romanticizes slavery and having weddings/parties there is the most despicable thing in the world.
Obviously, that’s ridiculous, but that’s their mindset
And they’re absolutely entitled to that opinion. It’s not like they were going to be forced to patronize Nottoway if it hadn’t burned down. Most of the ones complaining never even laid eyes on the place, so however personally repugnant they found the house or its history, its continued existence had no material effect on their lives whatsoever.
Don’t like it? By all means, don’t support it. Tell everyone you don’t support it and why, if that floats your boat. That’s completely your right.
Instead all that happened was the (free, willingly-employed) people who relied on NP for their income saw their livelihood literally go up in smoke, a disadvantaged community lost a significant chunk of its economic base overnight, and a complicated but important historical record was destroyed — but let’s all clap like seals because schadenfreude, I guess?
I keep waiting for someone to explain how very real, measurable, and widespread material harm (which will affect plenty of black people too) creates a net positive from this equation, but so far there have been no takers.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:18 pm to LuckySo-n-So
I can't even remember the amount of times I went to what we called "Miss Owen's Castle" as a kid (my grandmother was good friends with Mrs. Owens).
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:28 pm to cypresstiger
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nope. Not China. They didn't need slaves because there were so many people there, no labor shortage.
Are you trying to say the Chinese never used slaves? Seriously?
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:40 pm to cypresstiger
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Yes, while the Great Wall of China was built by a variety of people, including peasants, soldiers, convicts, and war prisoners, slaves were also used in its construction, according to chinatravellers.com and Ducksters. The Qin dynasty, for example, used large numbers of slaves for various infrastructure projects, including road building, canal construction, and land reclamation
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Australia, for example, as a country has only existed since 1901 and has never had slavery as a legal system
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Japan had minimal or no slavery as early as the 13th century
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:44 pm to Shexter
"Despite 75 firefighters, limited water, no sprinklers & old cypress wood doomed the historic Nottoway Plantation"
Unfiltered By Kiran Article
Unfiltered By Kiran Article
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:47 pm to StrongSafety
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Could never understand why anyone would want to celebrates their marriage / love and a land full of such hate and animus though.
I've attended dozens of black weddings there.
Keep being a victim.
I personally found the idea of two black people being able to afford and be married in a plantation home a fine middle finger to the past... But then again, I'm not a perpetual victim.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:50 pm to Gris Gris
Go to those comments, black women taking selfies smiling with the house burning in the background.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
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quote:That every society until the 1500s used slave labor. Hmm, well, this isn’t true.
Name one.
I’ll give you a hint. You won’t be able to include ancient Egypt.
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Oh, you don’t actually know, you’re just spouting off. Ok, go on, king.
So you think it’s a believable thing that in ancient Egypt in the old kingdom which indisputably had slave labor just happened to not use slaves over the course of 100 years on the biggest construction project in the entire world for thousands of years.
Like I said. With any knowledge of history it makes it more likely that aliens put them there than to say they were built without slaves
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:51 pm to Gris Gris
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Among the agencies responding was the West Baton Rouge Fire Department. Its chief, Butch Browning, a former Louisiana State Fire Marshal, said there came a moment when crews had no choice but to step back and watch the historic structure burn.
That's who was chief back when I was with the FD 25 years ago.
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Browning, who has decades of firefighting experience, said the issue wasn’t manpower or equipment, there were roughly 75 firefighters on scene, but water supply. The plantation had only one nearby fire hydrant, and it produced just half the water pressure needed for a fire of this scale. Firefighters estimated the flow rate was around 1,500 gallons per minute.
“Given that the building did not have sprinkler systems inside the home, if you were to build fire protection for that building today, you would probably be looking for 3,000 to 3,500 GPM (gallons per minute), almost double of what that had. That would have allowed you to operate more fire apparatus. The fire department needed multiple elevated streams, multiple ladder trucks to actually control that fire, which they could not operate. They had them. The resources were there, but the water was not,” Browning explained.
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“Once they controlled it, they were probably doing salvage and overhaul, but the fire was in the walls. They were likely trying to open walls up, which was also very difficult because today’s forcible entry tools—where you could cut through sheetrock, punch through sheetrock and other types of walls—this required them to use power saws, which they have. It takes a lot more time to get in the walls though,” he told UWK.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:52 pm to StrongSafety
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Could never understand why anyone would want to celebrates their marriage / love and a land full of such hate and animus though.
how do you feel about the African American's ancestral home of Africa?
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:55 pm to Shexter
LPB had a nice interview with the owner recently
My heart goes out to this fella. He definitely seems passionate about the property and what it could’ve been. Kind of hard to watch in light of the destruction.
My heart goes out to this fella. He definitely seems passionate about the property and what it could’ve been. Kind of hard to watch in light of the destruction.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:59 pm to Adam Banks
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Name one.
The Incas. It also wasn’t very widespread as a labor source in the Achaemenid Empire.
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I’ll give you a hint. You won’t be able to include ancient Egypt.
Well, that wasn’t the statement that you made was it. Also, I believe that slaves were mainly used as domestic servants in Ancient Egypt, not widely as a primary labor force.
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So you think it’s a believable thing that in ancient Egypt in the old kingdom which indisputably had slave labor just happened to not use slaves over the course of 100 years on the biggest construction project in the entire world for thousands of years.
Eh, you’ve shown that you’re not a very smart person. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:00 pm to Shexter
I get it would have cost a lot of money amd took away from the originality of the building. But I would have thought something as valuable as the most iconic plantation in the country would have sprinkler system installed.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:01 pm to Shexter
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That's who was chief back when I was with the FD 25 years ago.
On a scale of 1-10:
Would you want him to be in charge of the site at your fire?
Is he a likeable guy?
It's a 3-8 for me baw
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:02 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Eh, you’ve shown that you’re not a very smart person. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Oh excuse me I took
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Pyramids
Probably weren’t built by slaves.
To mean you didn’t think they were built by slaves
My mistake
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:11 pm to shagnasty 2
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Go to those comments, black women taking selfies smiling with the house burning in the background.
I didn't read the comments and I'm not going to read that crap. I doubt any of those people live in the community or will be affected financially or even know anyone who will be.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:13 pm to GREENHEAD22
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I would have thought something as valuable as the most iconic plantation in the country would have sprinkler system installed.
Local water supply of 1,500 gpm max can't handle a sprinkler system. Just hope no one flushes their toilet or takes a shower. Pointless to install one.
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if you were to build fire protection for that building today, you would probably be looking for 3,000 to 3,500 GPM (gallons per minute), almost double of what that had.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:24 pm to Shexter
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The resources were there, but the water was not,
Why couldn't they pump out of one the largest rivers in the world only 300 yards away?
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 4:26 pm
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