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re: No money for passenger train to link BR and NO
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:58 am to BRIllini07
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:58 am to BRIllini07
The school situation in EBR has driven most of the migrants to Ascension and Livingston.
Families move to those parishes because of good public education.
The developers are responding to that demand. It's not that hard to figure out.
Families move to those parishes because of good public education.
The developers are responding to that demand. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:03 am to baldona
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Have you ever taken a train before
Yeah, so the last train I took was from Rome to Naples. It went 185 miles per hour non-stop. It took an hour and ten minutes to get there.
Let’s not act like the idea of an express train is some sort of exotic thing that can’t be done between two cities 60 miles apart. My point is that if you live in Laplace, you don’t need to stop an express train between two major cities so you can ride across the spillway.
Baton Rouge to New Orleans and back. Express. No stops. One hour. That’s what will sell this thing.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:09 am to doubleb
China already owns plants near BR. Let's borrow the money from them. We'll call it the Chinese Bandit Express.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:12 am to doubleb
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:14 am to ChineseBandit66
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China already owns plants near BR. Let's borrow the money from them. We'll call it the Chinese Bandit Express.
You make good joke.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:17 am to doubleb
Good.
No way we would build it for what they say by the time all the cronies of JBE get theirs.
No way we would build it for what they say by the time all the cronies of JBE get theirs.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:22 am to doubleb
That would not be worth it, I think. The maintenance cost alone would be huge. The two cities are only an hour apart. It would be cool to take a train to NOLA. You can visit or use it for daily commute and not worry about parking, but the costs outweigh the benefits.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:25 am to BRIllini07
People would not ride a BR-NO train. Why would they? Who wants to be on foot in either city?
What we do need is a toll road in one of two places:
1) between I-59 outside of Bogalusa running to Vinton crossing the river in St. Francisville. This would cross all three North South interstates offering a very good alternative to traffic transversing the state to head to the large population centers to the North and the West. It would take a huge amount of traffic off of the I-10/12 corridor (this too could be the Northern east west leg of a loop around BR)
2) between Vinton and Monroe. This too would be alternative for North South traffic taking people off of I-10 and onto I-20
It needs to be toll and private or quasi private like the Causeway. It needs to pay it's own way and the money needs to only be used for maintenance of the roadway and not pilfered by politicians for other uses.
What we do need is a toll road in one of two places:
1) between I-59 outside of Bogalusa running to Vinton crossing the river in St. Francisville. This would cross all three North South interstates offering a very good alternative to traffic transversing the state to head to the large population centers to the North and the West. It would take a huge amount of traffic off of the I-10/12 corridor (this too could be the Northern east west leg of a loop around BR)
2) between Vinton and Monroe. This too would be alternative for North South traffic taking people off of I-10 and onto I-20
It needs to be toll and private or quasi private like the Causeway. It needs to pay it's own way and the money needs to only be used for maintenance of the roadway and not pilfered by politicians for other uses.
This post was edited on 9/28/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:26 am to doubleb
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A passenger rail between Baton Rouge and New Orleans is expected to cost some $260 million
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Louisiana currently doesn’t have money available to meet a 50% match
What is the payback on this thing anyway? I really dont understand the demand for this.
Would rather hundreds of millions of dollars be given to corporations to entice setting up operations in LA. Or to LSU to provide a direct funnel of talent to Louisiana businesses.
I can think of 100 different ways this money could be better spent to improve the Louisiana economy over a train.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:31 am to BurningHeart
I wouldn't expect you to recognize the best use of such money and that use is to leave it in the pockets of taxpayers.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:33 am to I B Freeman
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I wouldn't expect you to recognize the best use of such money and that use is to leave it in the pockets of taxpayers.
Thanks for the backhanded agreement with my post
Leave the Poli Board at the Poli Board IB.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:36 am to doubleb
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The school situation in EBR has driven most of the migrants to Ascension and Livingston. Families move to those parishes because of good public education. The developers are responding to that demand. It's not that hard to figure out
This is kinda why I specifically focused on trends of people staying single longer than in the past. Of course, families are going to flock towards the suburbs - that happens everywhere. Divorcees and lower birth rate of people with disposable income all factor in as well. Throw in a decent size student population and there are plenty of people within city limits that are not dependent on the poor public school system.
Some specific examples of what I'm talking about with BR development hell. All of these are entirely within EBR so there is no scholastic advantage.
(1) The backward Burbank infill phenomenon. There is no good reason for Springlake to develop first along Burbank, and then start filling backward toward the city. Similar is occurring with apartment development at Gardere/Nicholson.
(2) The "Let's build student apartments over a mile away and across 2 major streets from LSU" phenomenon. Meanwhile, land on the LSU near-adjacent corner of Lee/Burbank remains on the market.
(3) Perkins Rowe, Rouzan, The District, Elysian, etc...all planted along surface streets with shady traffic studies showing that the "impact won't be that bad"
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:36 am to I B Freeman
Posted on 9/28/18 at 11:48 am to BurningHeart
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What is the payback on this thing anyway?
you've got your terms mixed up. Its not the payback, its the kickbacks that generates interest.
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I really dont understand the demand for this.
Other than the politicians and individuals who stand to gain financially from the project, there isn't much.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 1:49 pm to BRIllini07
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This is kinda why I specifically focused on trends
You talk about trends in general without any facts. I'll give you some hard facts.
2010 population
EBR 440,171
BR (city) 229,493
Livingston 128,026
Ascension 107,215
2016(est.)
EBR 447,037 + 7K almost
BR (city) 227,715 a net loss of 2K
Livingston 140,138 +12K
Ascension 121,587 +14K
If you are a residential developer where would you build? Areas where people are moving, or areas that are stagnant or which are barely growing.
The facts are BR is declining in population. Sure you see a lot of student housing going up, but is LSU taking in that many more students?
Most of the student housing is just replacing old, run down student housing that has gone Section 8. It's not that there are thousands of additional LSU students.
In six years Livingston and Ascension together added over 26,000 more people while a much larger Parish, EBR, added just under 7,000. It's all sbout schools, schools and schools. Folks will fight traffic to send their kids to s good public school.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 1:58 pm to I B Freeman
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Who wants to be on foot in either city?
Not to be nitpicking because overall this may be the first time I've agreed with you on the bigger picture, but Nola is very much a foot city, especially downtown.
This whole idea is stupid though.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:03 pm to doubleb
It would be cheaper to buy all the BR/NO commuters Ferrari’s than construct this stupid high speed rail.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:11 pm to doubleb
Someones podnuh made bank on that study.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:16 pm to Boudreaux35
I wonder how much money was wasted figuring out the obvious that this is never going to happen.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 2:17 pm to stapuffmarshy
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Jindal
Might have hurt the state more than helped.. possibly more than Edwards.
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