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Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:40 am to doubleb
I don’t know which city this is better news for, BR or NOLA.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:41 am to stapuffmarshy
So now we have to put up a 50% match and prior to that there was no match?
Is that correct?
What changed and oh btw, we don't have the money to operate it either. Jindal was right about that.
Is that correct?
What changed and oh btw, we don't have the money to operate it either. Jindal was right about that.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:43 am to kingbob
That would be better served by a monorail like they have in Vegas right? Or the Marta in Atlanta?
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:43 am to doubleb
So they hired designers and consultants for a project they don't have the money for?
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:45 am to SG_Geaux
imagine CATS or NOLA mass transit- only exponentially more expensive to maintain/operate and less utilized. Think of who would use the rail. Think of who would run the rail. Think of every other municipal transportation system in this state- roads, buses, airports. How awesome are all of those things? Do you get all giddy when you think of the state running them? Do you look forward to using any of them yourself other than when its necessary?
then how do you think a rail line run by and in this state would be?
then how do you think a rail line run by and in this state would be?
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:49 am to SpqrTiger
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No one wants a train between here in and New Orleans with seven stops, that takes two and a half hours to get there.
Have you ever taken a train before? Because general protocol would be to have multiple train patterns of stops. For example the 6am train may be a direct from Br to NO and the 6:30 train include all 7 stops, then the 7am train have just 3 stops, etc.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:50 am to Mudminnow
I know Gonzales hired an architect who designed a train station. I saw the renderings for that.
EBR hired someone to do something. I think it was a train station plan.
LINK
Just a few months ago they released the above.
EBR hired someone to do something. I think it was a train station plan.
LINK
Just a few months ago they released the above.
This post was edited on 9/28/18 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:59 am to baldona
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the 6am train may be a direct from Br to NO and the 6:30 train include all 7 stops, then the 7am train have just 3 stops, etc.
LOL, you wouldn't have enough passengers to fill up any of these trains. hell, you wouldn't get them half full. Another reason why its a huge waste of money.
take the money they want to piss away on a rail line and put it towards another route over the River in the BR Metro area. I think its safe to say, another crossing over the Miss. River in the Capital region is more pressing than a fricking choo choo train between two cities no one really wants to travel to via train.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:04 am to tigerinthebueche
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LOL, you wouldn't have enough passengers to fill up any of these trains. hell, you wouldn't get them half full. Another reason why its a huge waste of money.
That was just an example. Why is there an $18 mil deficit the state would have to pick up? I'm guessing because it would not be busy enough.
I was simply saying that just because there are 7 stops on the line does not mean that every train stops at every stop. There are usually direct trains for the busy times of day to the busy stops.
For examply I could see a direct from BR at 6pm getting into NO at 7:20 with a direct back at 12AM. People could go and have dinner, a couple drinks, and ride the train back. Perfect world would be nice but likely still not feasible.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:05 am to doubleb
I much prefer the rail setup in Europe or Asia to the US. But a half-arsed solution is worse than no solution whatsoever.
1. I still believe we need rail to offload traffic from I-10 and surface streets. To do this, intermediate stations need plenty of parking (at Gonzales, etc...). The train itself would then need things like wifi to make it a pleasent ride.
2. The cost of rail should be compared against the cost of freeway expansions, gas, etc.. and not just the $0 alternative. The $0 alternative doesn't actually exist.
3. Rail makes it a bit easier for visitors to spend money. This is what was attractive about the (now cancelled) Nicholson project. People stuck in traffic waiting to get back to their downtown hotels after LSU games aren't spending money.
But, I don't trust Louisiana to implement full solutions, and instead we'll just waste capital studying stuff and only implement partial solutions doomed to fail. For instance, when the added the left turn arrows briefly at Nicholson/Lee-Brightside, but the left turn arrow was only present for PART of the green cycle.
I read this as Feds pay 2/3 and state pays 1/3. As in the state has to match 50% of what the Feds pay.
1. I still believe we need rail to offload traffic from I-10 and surface streets. To do this, intermediate stations need plenty of parking (at Gonzales, etc...). The train itself would then need things like wifi to make it a pleasent ride.
2. The cost of rail should be compared against the cost of freeway expansions, gas, etc.. and not just the $0 alternative. The $0 alternative doesn't actually exist.
3. Rail makes it a bit easier for visitors to spend money. This is what was attractive about the (now cancelled) Nicholson project. People stuck in traffic waiting to get back to their downtown hotels after LSU games aren't spending money.
But, I don't trust Louisiana to implement full solutions, and instead we'll just waste capital studying stuff and only implement partial solutions doomed to fail. For instance, when the added the left turn arrows briefly at Nicholson/Lee-Brightside, but the left turn arrow was only present for PART of the green cycle.
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I remember when the Feds were going to pay for almost all of it, or so proponents said. Now "most" is 50%.
I read this as Feds pay 2/3 and state pays 1/3. As in the state has to match 50% of what the Feds pay.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:05 am to doubleb
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This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:11 am to BRIllini07
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I much prefer the rail setup in Europe or Asia to the US. But a half-arsed solution is worse than no solution whatsoever.
I like public transit as much as anyone, but its completely overrated unless you are going from a congested area to a congested area.
Look at even DC for example, for a family of 4 their system is terrible. Its cheaper to Uber and taxi then use their subway.
Europe and Asia trains work because they have MUCH MUCH more congested areas. They have much less parking and much smaller yards. So once you get off the train things are still in walking distance.
Why would you take a train from anywhere in the middle of BR and NO to either place? Its a 45 min drive. You take 15 mins getting to the train station, 15 mins waiting on the train, 30 min train ride, and then 15 mins getting from train station to your destination. You turned a 45 min drive into a 75 minute train commute.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:15 am to doubleb
No, because the tracks between MSY and the CBD already exist. All they have to do is work out the schedule with the freight carriers, add a couple hundred feet of track between the new terminal and the rail line, and buy the trains. 90% of the upfront cost of this BR/NOLA rail plan was to replace the trellis bridge through the Bonne Carre spillway (a scam by the railroad which has been too cheap to replace it for decades and was trying to hoodwink the taxpayer into eating the cost). That wouldn’t be necessary to go from MSY downtown.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:17 am to doubleb
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we learn the state has no funds for the project.
Typical Louisiana - but all the politicians are millionaires
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:27 am to Mudminnow
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So they hired designers and consultants for a project they don't have the money for?
A Mudminnow post with no mention of Houston? Is it bizarro day on the OT?
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:33 am to The Torch
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expected to cost some $260 million
So we we are looking at 800 million roughly?
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:35 am to doubleb
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cost some $260 million
Probably double, or triple that if every built.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:40 am to doubleb
The traffic should be a lot worse around here lately. I am surprised everyone isn't all headed for the exit at the same time.
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:43 am to baldona
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I like public transit as much as anyone, but its completely overrated unless you are going from a congested area to a congested area.
In agreement here. But I do think a lot of problems with Baton Rouge stem from low population density. Traffic being the major one.
I think the low population density that results from "get married at 22 and get your 1/4 acre lot with a yard for your kids at age 23" is a post WWII ideology that's lost it's luster over the years. Baton Rouge, unfortunately, grew up right in the middle of that.
Now, with market signals saying "build more apartments, people are staying single until their 30's", Baton Rouge is doing just that. However, its letting developers do whatever they want, with the developers of course preferring to build on cheap land.
However, the money being saved by developers on cheap land is just getting passed onto the taxpayers in the form of getting stuck in traffic (gas, time) and the eventual debottleneck costs of the roads ($$$).
So then comes a bit of chicken-or-egg question. Do we need the high population density first, or can implementation of public transit centralize the demand for high-density housing such that developers aren't inclined to build just on low-cost areas (specifically public transportation that does not require roads - there is next to no utility of a bus). For that, I honestly don't know.
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