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re: No Mask, No Care
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:19 am to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:19 am to Sasquatch Smash
When I googled "do masks really work?" and this is what google responded with.
That just seems like common sense, but I understand there will be people who will not do what makes sense just because. Like the people who refuse to leave when there is a mandatory evacuated.
If there is a CAT5 hurricane coming and your area has a mandatory evac are people sheep for leaving?
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Some domestic and international studies have shown that wearing a mask can help contain large respiratory droplets containing the virus from traveling through the air. Since many cases of COVID-19 occur without symptoms, it's critical that everyone wear a mask in public so that all are protected.
That just seems like common sense, but I understand there will be people who will not do what makes sense just because. Like the people who refuse to leave when there is a mandatory evacuated.
If there is a CAT5 hurricane coming and your area has a mandatory evac are people sheep for leaving?
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:21 am to ell_13
That's why you clean the mask.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:23 am to Box Geauxrilla
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Because it’s useless and she doesn’t want to?
Are you 100% sure it doesn't work? If so what is this based on?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:23 am to Dragonballz
I’d like to see peer reviewed articles that claim mask ELIMINATE THE CHANCE the virus like you claimed. Mask are worn to reduce the distance and amount of virus transmitted from the mouth. You can catch it through your eyes.
You may science, but not well.
You may science, but not well.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:25 am to OweO
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That just seems like common sense, but I understand there will be people who will not do what makes sense just because.
Again, that is retarding the PRESUMED mechanism of transmission.
That does not show cloth masks actually reduce infections in reality.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:26 am to OweO
quote:99% of the general people doesn't. Which is why these cloth and crappy medical masks aren't helping slow/stop spread. Everyone knows this, too. But it's a great way to virtue signal and helps support a narrative that's been wrong from the start.
That's why you clean the mask.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:28 am to ell_13
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helps support a narrative that's been wrong from the start.
That is the biggest thing going on right now. Politicians and their chosen experts don't want to admit they were wrong.
Places in Europe are starting to realize their mistakes, admitting mistakes in some cases, and changing course. I'd be surprised if that happens this country, and if it does it'll probably be after November.
Edit to add: You've got the chosen National Hero, Dr. Anthony Fauci, contradicting himself constantly. He got into a tiff with Rand Paul last week forgetting his own statements 6 weeks prior acknowledging cross-reactivity. He's behind on the science a lot of the time, yet his word is taken as gospel. Recently spouting off about that old Korean study concerning kids and infections using data from March...a study that was updated and corrected to show the opposite of what the initial study suggested.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:28 am to Salmon
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why are you responding to me with this shite?
You seemed like you were pro mask or at least on the fence about continuing covid restrictions. I think they are stupid
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:29 am to Salmon
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because without the "no mask" control, they cannot definitely say that the cloth mask increases infections rates
Compared to other masks they certainly can. And they did.
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I'm aware. But the study is not being used to say there is a difference between cloth masks and medical masks.
That is literally what the study says.
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It is being used to say that cloth masks increase infections rates. That cannot be determined with this study.
For the wearer. Remember, the masks aren’t about protecting the wearer. They are about protecting the people around the wearer. This study is about what masks do to the wearer.
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Again, with no "no mask" control, you can't really determine this, can you?
Yes, you literally can. See the 2 studies mentioned.
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If the government were to mandate mask type, they would have to provide the masks.
And?
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Yeah, no shite. There are all kinds other socioeconomical variables to consider here as well.
Oh, so now is the time to consider other socioeconomic variables? Not previously when tens of millions of people their jobs, tens of thousands of small businesses were forced to close permanently, and the economy was destroyed? Yea you’ll have to come up with a better excuse than “socioeconomic reasons” as to why the government is telling people to put something on their face that is more likely to make them sick than a real mask.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:29 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Politicians and their chosen experts don't want to admit they were wrong.
yep
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Places in Europe are starting to realize their mistakes, admitting mistakes in some cases, and changing course.
can you provide examples? because I just keep reading about Europe going back to shutdowns
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:32 am to Salmon
yea dude. why are cases in france and spain rising bigly? genuinely curious on that bc ready for this crap to be over
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:34 am to Open Your Eyes
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That is literally what the study says.
I know what the study says, but that isn't how it is being used by people that keep sharing it.
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Yes, you literally can. See the 2 studies mentioned.
What 2 studies? I must have missed this post.
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And?
And these are other variables that are considered.
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Oh, so now is the time to consider other socioeconomic variables? Not previously when tens of millions of people their jobs, tens of thousands of small businesses were forced to close permanently, and the economy was destroyed? Yea you’ll have to come up with a better excuse than “socioeconomic reasons” as to why the government is telling people to put something on their face that is more likely to make them sick than a real mask.
Ugh. I hate it when y'all do this. It makes it impossible to have discussions.
I didn't support the lockdowns. I didn't and don't support the mask mandates. I think we should be 100% open.
I was trying to specifically discuss the linked study and why it isn't that effective of a study to get your point across.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:36 am to Mr Perfect
quote:The same reason Louisiana had a second spike. Check cases then check deaths. What's happening is the younger population is back out acting closer to normal: schools, parties, drinking out... Deaths remain low. The spike is among the younger group.
yea dude. why are cases in france and spain rising bigly?
This is what I'm talking about. Early on, our focus was on deaths and hospitals and rightly so. But now that those are under control, we now talk about cases which honestly doesn't mean anything for the groups that are now coming down with it.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:37 am to Dragonballz
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Again, ain't no cotton mask going to filter out a virus, and the water droplet argument is bullshite as well. If damn cotton fabric can filter out virus in water, then why isn't there more water filters out there that can filter out viruses? People in 3rd world countries would love this cotton technology as it should be cheap and viable for them to get clean drinking water.
The fact you are conflating pressurized water filtration to the fluid dynamics of facial masks indicates you don't know much about filter media and the processes involved in air filtration.
Since particulate filtration in water is primarily a sieving mechanism efficacy of the filter media is mainly determined by particulate size vs the pore size of the media. This is not the case for droplet borne or aerosolized viruses. Both of which require consideration of things like electrostatic absorption of the media and Brownian motion (pedesis) of the particulate along with ventilation dilution.
The unfortunate reality is the efficacy of particularly infectious aerosols is not particularly well understood far behind the understanding of large droplet transmission.
At this point, the efficacy of any particular mask media (even when properly fitted and properly worn) is not understood completely. It has quickly become a new area of scientific interest for obvious reasons.
That being said the mask/anti-mask debate is really not about the efficacy of types of masks or filtration media it is primarily about the CFR/IFR of the virus. If COVID-19 had a CFR/IFR like say Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease you would see many of the most ardent anti-maskers scrambling to buy and wear PAPRs.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:38 am to Salmon
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can you provide examples? because I just keep reading about Europe going back to shutdowns
Spain has recently released the way they'll count a case from now on, I believe. Requiring a PCR test with <30-35 cycles, symptoms, and/or radiological evidence.
I don't know if they've flip flopped, but Norway (I think it was) stated they wouldn't shut down again, and admitted that closing schools was a mistake.
There are probably others that I'm forgetting. It's not much, but it is progress.
Who besides the UK is shutting down? Did France decide to shut down again too?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:40 am to Obtuse1
quote:Yes. If there was a disease that truly required it, most people would buy multiple masks that work and take the time to learn to use them correctly. Shocking news!
If COVID-19 had a CFR/IFR like say Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease you would see many of the most ardent anti-maskers scrambling to buy and wear PAPRs.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:44 am to Salmon
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I know what the study says, but that isn't how it is being used by people that keep sharing it.
The study is being used to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of allowing cloth masks. In what way is that use wrong?
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What 2 studies? I must have missed this post.
Literally the 2 studies mentioned in the quote you responded to.
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And these are other variables that are considered.
And again, you don’t get to play the other variables considered card when it’s clear they have not considered other variables at any point in this process.
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Ugh. I hate it when y'all do this. It makes it impossible to have discussions.
You hate when other people point out the deficiencies in your arguments? Yes, I’d imagine that would make it difficult for you to have discussions.
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I didn't support the lockdowns. I didn't and don't support the mask mandates. I think we should be 100% open.
That’s nice. The people implementing them clearly did, and without consideration of the other variables you keep trying to introduce.
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I was trying to specifically discuss the linked study and why it isn't that effective of a study to get your point across.
Oh I get it. Somebody hacked your account and posted about socioeconomic concerns. That wasn’t actually you, right?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:45 am to Sasquatch Smash
Spain is also pressuring Madrid to go on full lockdown with quarantine zones.
France and the Netherlands will probably begin shutting down again soon.
Europe seems to still be worse off than us on restrictions, for the most part.
France and the Netherlands will probably begin shutting down again soon.
Europe seems to still be worse off than us on restrictions, for the most part.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:46 am to Mr Perfect
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yea dude. why are cases in france and spain rising bigly?
But I thought masks reduced the spread of Covid?
It's almost like masks have very little impact on the actual spread of the disease.
But hey, as long as it makes you feel safer, that's all that really matters.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:47 am to Centinel
Masks are pointless. Anybody that falls for this mask shite is an idiot.
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