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N.J. can use ‘drug recognition experts’ to determine if you’re high
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:31 pm
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In a report expected to have a big impact on how New Jersey determines who is high on the job as well as a legal challenge to state rules on impaired driving, a court-appointed special master has concluded the testimony of so-called Drug Recognition Experts can be admitted as reliable evidence in such cases.
Under the state’s new cannabis law, employers can still conduct random and pre-employment drug tests for weed use and can still ban marijuana use at work. They cannot fire, discipline or refuse to hire someone solely because the result is positive.
To enforce their rules, employers must have their own experts called Workplace Impairment Recognition Experts, or WIREs, witness impaired behavior by an employee and a positive drug test indicating presence of marijuana in a person’s system.
This is because weed stays in your system for a long time so if you test positive it doesn't mean you're high but this drug recognition expert stuff seems fishy to me and probably pseudoscience.
The article says the training they receive is comparable to what medical technicians go through which doesn't inspire confidence but it's a growth field if somebody in NJ is looking for a career.
Local NJ news
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 5:35 pm
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:33 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Yeah, you're going to have to have a quantitative test for this
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:34 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Takes one to know one
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:37 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Does the test involve Funyuns or Taco Bell?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:40 pm to Diseasefreeforall
You can test to see if someone is actively metabolizing cannabinoids, nobody is going to pay for that testing though!
This Expert witness sounds like a bunch of bull shite.
This Expert witness sounds like a bunch of bull shite.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:42 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Fired immediately for his face.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:43 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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This is because weed stays in your system for a long time so if you test positive it doesn't mean you're high but this drug recognition expert stuff seems fishy to me and probably pseudoscience.
well just like alcohol, you can have it in your system and not be impaired by it, but a drug test just shows you took it in the last 30 days and that is why drug tests are useless BS that should be unconstitutional for that reason. they dont show anything about you about whether or not you use or are high at work.
i could see and go along with something like a dui test, where you walk the line, check pupil reactions, say the alphabet or count backwards, and such, to see if you are impaired or not
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:43 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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To enforce their rules, employers must have their own experts called Workplace Impairment Recognition Experts, or WIREs, witness impaired behavior by an employee and a positive drug test indicating presence of marijuana in a person’s system.
Nothing sketchy to see here.
Solution, go to interview high, go to work high, ergo... your baseline is High... and you are free to party how you want.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:46 pm to Diseasefreeforall
*plays Grateful Dead at Red Rocks 87*
Suspect: this sucks
Expert: not weed
Suspect: this sucks
Expert: not weed
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:47 pm to Diseasefreeforall
The news did a piece on cobb county deputies doing this years ago.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 5:51 pm to SwampGar
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Nothing sketchy to see here.
And the Workplace Impairment Recognition Experts probably feel like they've gotta bag some stoners to justify their jobs.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:08 pm to SwampGar
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Solution, go to interview high, go to work high, ergo... your baseline is High... and you are free to party how you want.
i literally know a guy like that, he likes weed and never went a day not being high, it was his normal baseline as you say. the more high he was the more straight and rational he was, when he wasnt high and was forced to be straight, he seems drunk and unable to function properly.
we used to joke about it saying his body cant function if he wasnt high and it was true
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:10 pm to Diseasefreeforall
FYI, LSP has this already
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:24 pm to Diseasefreeforall
The nystagmus (pen) test is bullshite, too, thanks to how cops naturally abuse it. Should not be allowed in court.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:43 pm to Diseasefreeforall
They're probably just as good as the dogs, which shouldn't be used, either.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:45 pm to keakar
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well just like alcohol, you can have it in your system and not be impaired by it, but a drug test just shows you took it in the last 30 days and that is why drug tests are useless BS that should be unconstitutional for that reason. they dont show anything about you about whether or not you use or are high at work.
Ugh... marijuana drug tests normally test for a metabolite thc breake down into. Metabolite isn't gonna get you high, regardless of quantity. In that manner it's nothing like alcohol. Testing for active thc isn't nearly as easy, or non invasive as peeing or breathing into something.
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i could see and go along with something like a dui test, where you walk the line, check pupil reactions, say the alphabet or count backwards, and such, to see if you are impaired or not
You can pass all of these with flying colors and still get a dui based on blood, breathe, or urine results.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:16 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Put them in a room with a bunch of snacks. Observe. It's at least a better system than we have now.
Realistically until something federal happens it won't have a big impact. DOT is the biggest issue.
Realistically until something federal happens it won't have a big impact. DOT is the biggest issue.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:29 pm to Diseasefreeforall
I guess it’s if it’s a twofer and not abused.
People used to think I was stoned before I had ever even tried it. So I guess then if I was accused I’d still pass the piss test.
People used to think I was stoned before I had ever even tried it. So I guess then if I was accused I’d still pass the piss test.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:09 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Weed does have some physical affects on you. Just like alcohol.
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