re: New Toyota Tundras only have V6 engines now? Tacomas only have 4 cyclinders?

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The issue I was referring to was metal shavings being left in the cylinders causing catastrophic engine failure. Toyota has issued a safety recall and is replacing about 100,000 engines for Tundras built between 21 and 22.

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There are a lot of reports of 2023 and 2024 models with engine failure BTW.

I think Toyota still uses the same old buzzy 2.5L 4 cylinder hybrid for the Camry, Lexus ES hybrid, and the new Crown. Those are likely still very "Toyota-like" in terms of reliability. I'd buy them if I needed a vehicle like that. The Crown Insignia in particular is a legitimately good vehicle with no real direct competitors too.

But I don't think I'd get the new Toyota turbo motors unless I happened to live very close to a dealership that can service it and got an extended warranty. That's especially the case with anything that uses the 3.4L twin turbo because they have a horrible reputation and are designed in a way that makes them more difficult to service than the other turbocharged Toyota motors.

I'm 20 minutes from the Toyota dealer, which isn't a problem for my 2021 4Runner because it's very old school and is very unlikely to break. But my location probably means that the next car I get won't be a Toyota...unless they figure how to return to what made them Toyota in the first place. I'm 5 minutes from a GMC and a Ford dealer - both of which are farther along in dealing with their "compliance" related design issues and both can be serviced very close to home.

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They may be included in the recall as well. I might be mistaken that it was only 21-22.

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Not sure of the details of the recall, but it's a big pain point that not all trucks with engine failures are subject to the recall. The recalled ones get a new engine (basically a factory Toyota engine with turbos and everything already on there). The dealers swap out the motors pretty quickly and all is good. The owners get a brand new engine built to factory specs and are really only out of a truck for a day or two. Toyota's reputation is tarnished but likely not broken in the eyes of the owners whose trucks were recalled - especially if the new engine never has a failure.

The ones that fail but are were NOT subject to the recall (there are many of them) get a short block and the Toyota dealerships have to reinstall all the old parts around it - and they may or may not be very experienced in doing that kind of work very well or very quickly. These are the ones that clog up the Toyota service bays for days or even weeks at a time. These are also the ones that turn up again later with leaky gaskets and other flaws that were created when a tech made a mistake in the rebuild. These are also probably the cases most likely to result in a furious truck owner that leaves the brand forever.

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I doubt you would want to pay me what I want for it. It's a 21 4x4 crewcab limited, magnetic grey with nightshade. Just passed 16K miles.

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Nice! That's very low mileage too. My 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium is Magnetic Grey. Mine has 42,000 miles though because of a few cross country trips. I've already flushed the transmission because we used it for towing quite a bit. I'm probably going to have to get new tires within the next year for it too.

If I get a new Tundra (years and years from now at this rate), I'll probably get white or grey. The 1794 ones look very nice. It's too bad the new ones are just a huge fumble on Toyota's part. Maybe they'll redesign it next year.

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A 21 Land Cruiser with 60k miles is going for more than those new V4 land cruisers.

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And 21 Tundras that don’t have 200k miles are hard to come by too.

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Nice! That's very low mileage too.

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I work from home, so there are some weeks it never leaves the garage, but I love driving it.

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Maybe they'll redesign it next year.

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This is Toyota, so this design is likely to be around for 6-8 more years before a complete redesign. A refresh probably next year, but then again, because of these issues, they might try to speed up a redesign to put this version behind them sooner.

They should have offered the V8 as an option.

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But does anyone have real faith that these new trucks with their technology will last 10 years without hassle?

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No

But I have learned, and truck companies have figured out that people want bells and whistles and reliability is not a concern. They also learned they can add a feature that costs them $100 and sell it for $4000, so that is why all you see on lots now are $60K+ trucks.

Long term durability is the question. You're absolutely correct.

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That's especially the case with anything that uses the 3.4L twin turbo because they have a horrible reputation

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This is so misinformed. The 3.4L twin turbo has been around since 2017 and has been used since then on Lexus’s flagship LS500 with no problems. Aa mentioned earlier in this thread, the Tundra had machining debris issues from a specific line.

I once had a 1978 F-150 Ranger Explore (Said all that on the truck)

This thread is reminding what a Dumbass I was to get rid of it.