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re: New Orleans….in your opinion, when did the wheels come off?
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:13 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:13 pm to chalmetteowl
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You blame progressives but other progressive cities out west are thriving.
Which ones are “thriving?”
In my experience, progressive cities are turning to shite.
The homeless and criminal illegal alien element in Denver was my most recent experience.
It’s a damn shame what “progressives” have done to that city.
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:25 pm to WeagleEagle
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Nola around 08 when I was there was awesome. It was amazing.
Post Katrina up until 2010ish was a hell of a time. Probably the best times I had in that city. A times, it really felt like living in the post-apocalypse. There was a weird mix of despair and intense hopefulness. The parties at Nola Art House really embodied the spirit of those times.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:31 pm to BottomlandBrew
Post Katrina was awesome for about year or so. U had to carry your own luggage etc but zero crime. New Orleans East was so dark at night u could see the stars.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:32 pm to BottomlandBrew
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Post Katrina up until 2010ish was a hell of a time
Then we traded CP3, Vernon Davis made that catch, and nothing has been the same since
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:35 pm to jordan21210
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What leads you to the conclusion that things have regressed since the Super Bowl?
Based on talk from local business owners. Nobody is optimistic right now and they are preparing for an especially brutal summer.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:39 pm to OTIS2
Moon landrieu
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:47 pm to OTIS2
As an important city in which to conduct business? That was done by the mid-late 80s. The downturn was inevitable in a way. New Orleans had been the “only game in town” in the South for the better part of 200 years, far surpassing competitors up until about WWII. It’s no coincidence that New Orleans began to lose importance around the same time that airplanes and automobiles became commonplace. The river lost some importance as there were now other viable options for moving goods besides water and rail. This was also a time in which prosperous Americans were wanting to leave old, outmoded inner cities behind for spacious, shiny suburban areas. The geography of New Orleans meant that the South Shore was essentially “built-out” by the 60s-70s. The metro couldn’t spread out and produce the type of lifestyle that was desired by Americans of that time. Not without crossing the lake, at least. The final ding was the failure to diversify the white collar job market. When oil consolidated their white collar workforce in Texas, that was it for most of the “good” jobs.
It’s still very much critical from a logistics standpoint. Although the river is less important than it once was, it’s still incredibly important, despite supporting mostly only a blue collar workforce. But it’s the gross lack of white collar jobs that has led to the wheels coming off.
Similar fates have played out in other “river” cities. Memphis, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Louisville, etc. However, none of those faced the severe geographic limitations that New Orleans has. People like to blame corrupt leadership for what has happened. And it probably did account for some of it. But there was very little that could be done to make New Orleans competitive in the latter part of the 20th century based on geography alone.
It’s still very much critical from a logistics standpoint. Although the river is less important than it once was, it’s still incredibly important, despite supporting mostly only a blue collar workforce. But it’s the gross lack of white collar jobs that has led to the wheels coming off.
Similar fates have played out in other “river” cities. Memphis, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Louisville, etc. However, none of those faced the severe geographic limitations that New Orleans has. People like to blame corrupt leadership for what has happened. And it probably did account for some of it. But there was very little that could be done to make New Orleans competitive in the latter part of the 20th century based on geography alone.
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:19 pm to Shorts Guy
quote:I always wonder why people compare New Orleans to Houston and Atlanta. Those cities are huge and were able to expand without issue while New Orleans is surrounded by water or swamp land. It was never going to be that type of city.
time that airplanes and automobiles became commonplace. The river lost some importance as there were now other viable options for moving goods besides water and rail. This was also a time in which prosperous Americans were wanting to leave old, outmoded inner cities behind for spacious, shiny suburban areas. The geography of New Orleans meant that the South Shore was essentially “built-out” by the 60s-70s. The metro couldn’t spread out and produce the type of lifestyle that was desired by Americans of that time. Not without crossing the lake, at least. The final ding was the failure to diversify the white collar job market. When oil consolidated their white collar workforce in Texas, that was it for most of the “good” jobs.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:33 pm to saderade
quote:Those and Dallas are the closest cities with major pro sports teams… we’re not trying to compare ourselves with cities that don’t matter like Birmingham and Jackson and Shreveport and Mobile
always wonder why people compare New Orleans to Houston and Atlanta.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:34 pm to saderade
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I always wonder why people compare New Orleans to Houston and Atlanta. Those cities are huge and were able to expand without issue while New Orleans is surrounded by water or swamp land. It was never going to be that type of city.
Yeah, there was just no way. And as for all the people who were moving south at the time time that Atlanta and Houston were really rising…to them, New Orleans would’ve been just more of what they were escaping. Old, dense, inconvenient city. They wanted subdivisions and shopping malls. Sprawling suburban office campuses. Can’t wave a magic wand and invent land for all that crap.
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:38 pm to Miglez
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Based on talk from local business owners. Nobody is optimistic right now and they are preparing for an especially brutal summer.
That has less to do with the city and more to do with the current political and economic climate. Summer is always brutal in New Orleans.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 9:50 pm to biglego
“Probably the 80s with the oil bust and corporate exodus to Houston began.”
I was on poydras ( amoco) with all the others.. oil was booming . It was busy.. not as much white flight to northshore as much as us starting out with kids could not afford Nola and schools.. some went northshore some of us west bank ( before second bridge)…late 80 oil bust gave senior management excuse to move.. they jumped at the chance to move office to Houston.. not sure what really was driving their dislike but many were not necessarily from the south.. crime was pretty bad in city.. I remember a random stabbing at the Hyatt escalators during lunch.. in those days you had to come to office in middle of night to get data sent in from rigs in gulf. Guns in briefcases were overlooked if you came in from offsite parking in middle of night..I knew a guy that had to pull his out in garage once.. to encourage a few bystanders to move along.
Never really recovered from the oil companies leaving .. there were a lot of us and we all left or downsized Nola office in a short time.. we could not give the amoco office away.. I joke but I actually think we ended up donating it to the city?
I was on poydras ( amoco) with all the others.. oil was booming . It was busy.. not as much white flight to northshore as much as us starting out with kids could not afford Nola and schools.. some went northshore some of us west bank ( before second bridge)…late 80 oil bust gave senior management excuse to move.. they jumped at the chance to move office to Houston.. not sure what really was driving their dislike but many were not necessarily from the south.. crime was pretty bad in city.. I remember a random stabbing at the Hyatt escalators during lunch.. in those days you had to come to office in middle of night to get data sent in from rigs in gulf. Guns in briefcases were overlooked if you came in from offsite parking in middle of night..I knew a guy that had to pull his out in garage once.. to encourage a few bystanders to move along.
Never really recovered from the oil companies leaving .. there were a lot of us and we all left or downsized Nola office in a short time.. we could not give the amoco office away.. I joke but I actually think we ended up donating it to the city?
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:07 pm to jwalk38
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walk past empty homes for sale that were former AirBnBs.
Makes no sense on so many levels.
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:10 pm to Lou Loomis
C’mon man, these ol poot butts know the city!!
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:21 pm to Crescent Connection
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Felt like Nola had a revitalization post-Katrina till roughly 2013-2014…Mitch Landrieu’s start of his second term. Since then, it’s been all downhill.
This...
Original downfall prolly with Moon.
Then a second chance at life when Katrina wiped out the school system.
Then off the deep end when they took the FQ cleanup contract away from SDTIV.
ETA: It should be noted... all D mayors... for as far as the eye can see back....
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:39 pm to Meauxjeaux
Only hope is for SELA to be considered to work together to be one metro area. BR is spreading South and the Northshore has a lot of land and promise. New Orleans for all its flaws has a lot of things to do for the size of the city and an incredible amount of restauraunts and music options. NFL team NBA team PGA golf tournament Sugar Bowl Saengar Theatre Opheum casino close distance to world class fishing and hunting an hour away from SEC football horse racing at Fairgrounds Jazz Fest FQ FEST Mardi Gras. A nice small airport easy to use with a decent amount of flights for the size of the city Tulane and Loyola and Xavier are assets. It has nice zoo and nice aquarium nice City park a children’s museum and the FQ shopping is good not great. Good children hospital Good antiques nice museums . You can catch cruises out of the city. It is only 31/2 hrs from Fla beaches . Sure it has numerous problems most cities do but It is a pretty good place to live if you have a decent job which is obviously its biggest problem. I know people on this site act like it is hell on Earth but compared to a lot of places in United States especially small towns it has alot to offer Make it safe and clean and I can live with the political corruption
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:54 pm to Optimism
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Only hope is for SELA to be considered to work together to be one metro area. BR is spreading South and the Northshore has a lot of land and promise. New Orleans for all its flaws has a lot of things to do for the size of the city and an incredible amount of restauraunts and music options. NFL team NBA team PGA golf tournament Sugar Bowl Saengar Theatre Opheum casino close distance to world class fishing and hunting an hour away from SEC football horse racing at Fairgrounds Jazz Fest FQ FEST Mardi Gras. A nice small airport easy to use with a decent amount of flights for the size of the city Tulane and Loyola and Xavier are assets. It has nice zoo and nice aquarium nice City park a children’s museum and the FQ shopping is good not great. Good children hospital Good antiques nice museums . You can catch cruises out of the city. It is only 31/2 hrs from Fla beaches . Sure it has numerous problems most cities do but It is a pretty good place to live if you have a decent job which is obviously its biggest problem. I know people on this site act like it is hell on Earth but compared to a lot of places in United States especially small towns it has alot to offer Make it safe and clean and I can live with the political corruption
It definitely still benefits from being the central node of a fairly populous region of the country. It’s the biggest thing going for hours in any direction. If it made economic sense, probably a lot of people would still choose to be there over the alternatives. It also casts a massive cultural shadow. It’s very pervasive in popular culture and media and that has had huge benefits. For what it’s worth, I personally would love to see myself there over Baton Rouge in five years time.
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:19 pm to Shorts Guy
Lake Ponchatrain is another underrated asset. Sitting at the Yacht Club watching the boats come in makes you feel like you are out of town and with the breeze it’s a few degrees cooler than rest of city. I don’t sail but they have some nice boats out there . It will be interesting to see what happens with the proposed West End development. The little area by Bucktown by the lake is nicer now also have a little boardwalk and I think adding kayaking
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:31 pm to Optimism
True! And in the last few years the MS Gulf Coast is really coming into its own as prices in Florida and Alabama, esp. Florida have gotten ridiculous. Bay St. Louis and Ocean Springs are really great for little day trip, or even to grab an Airbnb for a night to two.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:33 pm to OTIS2
Fell off 2005 but 2006-2012 was a fun time
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