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New Orleans homeless individuals getting help

Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:01 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:01 pm
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NOLA.com/The Times-Picayune reports the fund is providing a $5 million grant to Catholic Charities Archdiocese of New Orleans to help the homeless in south Louisiana.

  

Catholic Charities is one of 24 nonprofits to receive a portion of the $97.5 million being doled out across the county by the fund. Officials say the grants, announced Tuesday, are the first of what will be an annual distribution to support families in need.




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Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48175 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:40 pm to
So even more bums camped out under overpasses???
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:50 pm to
What will these "families in need" be doing to prove they wont need it again?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82342 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:59 pm to
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What will these "families in need" be doing to prove they wont need it again?


Article is short on details, but it's private money so who cares?
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34738 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:21 pm to
Maybe they’ll get that Coleman stove..
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11566 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 12:59 am to
Sounds like someone other than Brad is about to get sued.
Posted by ellishughtiger
70118
Member since Jul 2004
21182 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 1:04 am to
Tax free money getting dispense to the homeless. I hope the diocese passes out Bezos donated money accordingly.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80811 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 9:57 am to
How does this help them? Are they going to somehow find and maintain a home? Do they care to find a home and change the behaviors that lead to homelessness? This is money down the toilet.
Posted by tigerstripedjacket
This side of the wall
Member since Sep 2011
3147 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 12:12 pm to
Where do I sign up for my cut?
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
28261 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 12:32 pm to
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How does this help them?

a majority of homeless people aren't there because they are straight up degenerates... most of them have undiagnosed, untreated mental problems, that predisposition them to struggle with decision making and impulse control, which leads them down a tough road...

this isn't the case for EVERY single one of them, and some of them are there bc, yeah, they are straight up degenerates, but even they are worthy of society's care, bc at the very base of it, they are human, and all of us can use a helping hand from time to time...

i can't understand how people lack simple empathy and care about other human beings, outside of themselves and their immediate surroundings.... are other people's lives, regardless of where they come from or what they currently are, not worth anything to some of you? is it not possible to have a caring heart, in this society, anymore?
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
28261 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 12:44 pm to
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Are they going to somehow find and maintain a home? Do they care to find a home and change the behaviors that lead to homelessness?


actually, the Housing First model has shown great decreases in chronic homelessness, meaning a significant portion of the homeless people who were given shelter via permanent, or even temporary housing, got their shite together and started being productive members of society... many of them had to get sober, and/or seek mental help to do it, but regardless, they did...

2 places that have tried this approach, that we have data on are Finland and Utah... they tried this and it's worked pretty well... Finland has all but eradicated chronic homelessness now...


Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
28261 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 12:50 pm to
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This is money down the toilet.


considering it's not coming out of YOUR pocket, why do you give a frick?

but just to refute your point, no, it's actually a very smart investment...

Between shelters, jail stays, ambulances, and hospital visits, caring for one homeless person typically costs the government $20,000 a year. Providing one homeless person with permanent housing, however — as well as a social worker to help them transition into mainstream society — costs the state $8,000, The New Yorker reported.

The strategy, called Housing First, gives homeless people the stability that's lacking in temporary solutions like shelters and halfway houses. The tactic began as a test by New York University psychologist Sam Tsemberis in 1992.

"I thought, they're schizophrenic, alcoholic, traumatized, brain damaged," Tsemberis recalls to Mother Jones. "Why not just give them a place to live and offer them free counseling and therapy, healthcare, and let them decide if they want to participate?"

Tsemberis tested his theory on 242 chronically homeless people in New York City. Five years later, 88% were still living in their apartments at a lower cost to taxpayers and the state government. The idea caught on in other places like Seattle, Denver, and the state of Massachusetts. The experiment in Utah is likely the most successful Housing First program.

The Housing First project began in Utah as a 10-year project with the goal of eliminating homelessness entirely by the end of 2015. While state legislators were reluctant to support the plan at first, they eventually embraced the idea, albeit cautiously.

And the housing is, indeed, permanent. People get to keep their state-provided apartment even if they keep abusing drugs or alcohol. In this way, Housing First has been more effective at keeping people off the streets than transitional housing, which requires that homeless people get a job and get sober before they are given more permanent options.

"If you move people into permanent supportive housing first, and then give them help, it seems to work better," Nan Roman, the president and CEO of the National Alliance for Homelessness, told The New Yorker in September. "It's intuitive, in a way. People do better when they have stability."

Initially, critics feared Utah would lose tons of money by giving the homeless permanent housing, and that doing so would just "incentivize mooching," as Minhaj put it. However, state officials found Housing First actually saving the government money over time, especially as it encourages people to become more self-sufficient sooner.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30071 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 12:52 pm to
How about we use that money to ship these people to California again.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2853 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 1:03 pm to
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And the housing is, indeed, permanent. People get to keep their state-provided apartment even if they keep abusing drugs or alcohol.


lol. maybe we should all ask for a "state-provided apartment."
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
28261 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 1:04 pm to
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How about we use that money to ship these people to California again.

all the veterans that served our country, that are now homeless too? what about them? do they not deserve the dignity of human empathy for their situation, whatever it might be?

it really does make me question humanity and the society we live in.... i'm sure a majority of the posters here, if questioned would claim to be "Christian", if you had to fill in a bubble... so, turning your back on those in need, despising the lowest of society, neglecting the simple fact of their humanity, how can one reconcile this with what they claim to be, considering that we KNOW what those of that faith are SUPPOSED to be about?? the outright and utter hypocrisy astounds and saddens me... how do i, as a non-believer, care and show more characteristics of a believer, than a majority of those that actually claim to be a believer?? such a shame, it really is...

Christmas lights....It would cost about $20 billion for the government to effectively eliminate homelessness in the United States, a Housing and Urban Development official told the New York Times.

That’s just slightly less money than Americans spend on Christmas decorations, according to an analysis from ThinkProgress.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
28261 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122525 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

i can't understand how people lack simple empathy and care about other human beings, outside of themselves and their immediate surroundings.... are other people's lives, regardless of where they come from or what they currently are, not worth anything to some of you? is it not possible to have a caring heart, in this society, anymore?




This is one of the biggest problems in this country. So many people don't care about the world beyond their small little circle, but if everyone showed a little empathy for others, by helping people in need out, will actually make things better for everyone.

Sure, there will be exceptions to the rule and it will not help EVERYONE in need, but by helping as many as possible it will be better for society in general.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80811 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 2:26 pm to
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considering it's not coming out of YOUR pocket, why do you give a frick?
You sure are mad. I don't care, simply noted it's headed down the toilet.

I know who comprises the homeless and unless you force 80% of them to take their meds they are not going to comply. You are also not going to change personality disordered folks.
quote:

And the housing is, indeed, permanent. People get to keep their state-provided apartment even if they keep abusing drugs or alcohol.
Well of course they can stay in a place if huge rules of society are suspended and they are fully supported for the sake of keeping them in there.
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Five years later, 88% were still living in their apartments at a lower cost to taxpayers and the state government
Dubious. Easily fudged numbers can bring about the desired "results."
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80811 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 2:28 pm to
Not a chance that is accurate. War on Poverty for 50 years and it's gotten worse. "But, but ,but it hasn't been done correctly yet..."
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how do i, as a non-believer, care and show more characteristics of a believer, than a majority of those that actually claim to be a believer?? such a shame, it really is...
What do you do besides post on their behalf on a message board? I donate a couple thousand to St. Jude's each year.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 2:56 pm to
Money is going to the Catholic Church in New Orleans, they will use it to cover up and pay off victims of sexual abuse
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