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re: New MTV show publicly shames white people for “What they've done to America”

Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
23254 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:36 pm to
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I am whats amusing about an historically and presently privileged class bitching about their grievances against groups that they cultivated social structures,economic, educational, and judical structures to oppress and terrorize?it w ill be interesting to see the younger people internalize this "pendulum" shift, and why they feel the way they do, but its seemingly always seems to be on a micro, individual level. Hopefully, these kids can digest the world, and its structures, and how they fit into it on a more global and macroscopic level.


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I mean, thats if you believe that there are both sides to these issues, and as if we are speaking as societal, economic, and judicial equals (things which should never blur our lines equality), which seems to have affected some peoples abilities to view the the humanity of others equality, and have served as self-fulfilling prophecies to justify a resistance to racial justice


Your shtick her is entertaining. Seriously, i enjoy reading when you rile up the masses.

But that is the biggest load of pseudo academic bullshite that has ever been uttered in a mad white people thread on this board.

"the ability to view the humanity of other peoples equality"

It's obvious you're bright. You don't have to impersonate this guy to prove it.

Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71226 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:36 pm to
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won't do a thing about it other than complain on the Internet.


Who needs too? The day after this show, I'll wake up white, privileged and loving it. And the minorities who produced this will still have a hole of insecurity that the show just couldn't fill. The world won't change for either group after the show, and that works out pretty well for whitey.

This lashing out is adorable, though.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16149 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:41 pm to
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t w ill be interesting to see the younger people internalize this "pendulum" shift, and why they feel the way they do, but its seemingly always seems to be on a micro, individual level. Hopefully, these kids can digest the world, and its structures, and how they fit into it on a more global and macroscopic level


It seems that today the only acceptable way to internalize and digest the "world" is put white guilt on your back and carry it around. The current narrative in social media and media is unless you come out condemning the white race and giving credit for everything you have to institutional racism, you are oblivious to everything and a racist.

Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60718 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:43 pm to
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Who needs too? The day after this show, I'll wake up white, privileged and loving it. And the minorities who produced this will still have a hole of insecurity that the show just couldn't fill. The world won't change for either group after the show, and that works out pretty well for whitey.

This x100000
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20635 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:47 pm to
But Donald Trump makes a comment which was harsh and brash but factually isn't really off base and the world almost explodes.
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11217 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:48 pm to
In theory, yes, but its not hard for them to mold into white anglo-american privilege. Ive seen it on this board and in real life. Its how alot of 1st generation immigrants in the early 1900s got by. Change your name and adopt the habits and sensibilities of the majority and youre half way to the american dream.
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so what's wrong with that? you mean the America that has been the best nation for how long now?

where in the hell do you come up with this stuff....?
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:52 pm to
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Minorities are given (yes, given) slots in colleges when more qualified candidates are available.


As if legacy candidates and the relatives of donors (white candidates) arent given preference in admissions. So is every minority applicant undeserving of slots in colleges?

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Minorities are given jobs when more qualified candidates are available.


Stats? Or is just heresay to make your argument?>

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How do you propose an even playing field with the odds stacked against white people already?


Every and any seemingly important statistic for basic American life disagrees with this statement. How is the most protected and privileged group have the odds stacked against them?

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:53 pm to
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Stats? Or is just heresay to make your argument?>



Do you really question that minority candidates get jobs above better qualified white candidates, or are you just forcing him to back up the statement?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:54 pm to
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As if legacy candidates and the relatives of donors (white candidates) arent given preference in admissions.

I'm neither. What now?
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20635 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:58 pm to
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As if legacy candidates and the relatives of donors (white candidates) arent given preference in admissions. So is every minority applicant undeserving of slots in colleges?


Oh so only white people go to college to create "legacy candidates" and only white alumni give back?

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Every and any seemingly important statistic for basic American life disagrees with this statement. How is the most protected and privileged group have the odds stacked against them?


So bc I'm white I'm privileged and you're lack so life is automatically 10px's harder for you even though there is program after program and organizations purely for the "betterment" of "colored." Got it.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 2:59 pm to
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You do a lot of generalizing and seem to assume that all white experience is shared. Would you feel ok with this being done to black folks?

You'll never understand, but "being white" means jack shite. There are no shared experiences.



I never said all white experiences are the same.

However, in this country, there is a shared experience for black people in racial injustice. Not necessarily as an individual because not all black experiences are the same, but as group within a system.

If one group had to be the recipients of the suffering, then naturally, there had to be another group that is the beneficiary of that suffering.

What people are asking white people do is not look at racism as what you individually did. No one is calling indiviudal white people racist. What they are asking for is for white people to look at how we have cultivated structures and systems to benefit white people on a macroscopic level.

Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:01 pm to
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Do you really question that minority candidates get jobs above better qualified white candidates, or are you just forcing him to back up the statement?


Are white people suffering as a whole because of it?

And yes I do, because it just isnt true.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38343 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:01 pm to
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What people are asking white people do is not look at racism as what you individually did. No one is calling indiviudal white people racist. What they are asking for is for white people to look at how we have cultivated structures and systems to benefit white people on a macroscopic level.

And then what? Not trying to be a smartass but there must be more to it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:02 pm to
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However, in this country, there is a shared experience for black people in racial injustice.


Absolutely not.

Depends on how much money one makes, not how dark or light your skin is.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:07 pm to
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Oh so only white people go to college to create "legacy candidates" and only white alumni give back?


No, but in the 1960s, most blacks attended HBCUs, so there legacies lie there.

Considering that most PWIs just started to integrate in the early 70s, I suggest you go look at any old college year book and point out the amount of minorities in the photos. Whites have a overwhelmingly majority of the distinguished alums and graduates from these elite universities, so naturally they will have the most legacies.


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So bc I'm white I'm privileged and you're lack so life is automatically 10px's harder for you even though there is program after program and organizations purely for the "betterment" of "colored." Got it.


I didnt say that.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:07 pm to
I carry no white guilt, I am not a racist, and I pulled myself up from the same kind of life that a lot of black people have, and I did without the benifits of government programs in place to make it easier. Do what I did learn a fricking skill start ar the bottom and work your arse off and you can succeed. It's not easy but it can be done.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84435 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:08 pm to
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In theory, yes, but its not hard for them to mold into white anglo-american privilege. Ive seen it on this board and in real life. Its how alot of 1st generation immigrants in the early 1900s got by. Change your name and adopt the habits and sensibilities of the majority and youre half way to the american dream.


But does this happen in current America? Not really.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:08 pm to
You keep individualizing what im saying. Thats like 95% of the problem.

Think on a macro sense.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63805 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:09 pm to
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No one is calling indiviudal white people racist.


Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
59099 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:10 pm to
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Honestly, I just felt a rush a blood go through my head. That's how pissed off this makes me.

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