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re: New Infrastructure Spending Plan likely means a NOLA -Baton Rouge passenger rail link
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:46 am to The Boat
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:46 am to The Boat
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What’s the need to travel between Houston and Dallas? It’s two similarly sized cities and similar amenities.
The idea being people can live way in the country between the two cities and commute into downtown Dallas or Houston in under 1.5 hrs on a train. That's what I recall the allure being. Also if you have day trip type business meetings in the other city from which you work. But remote meetings are popular now.
I think all this rail talk had more appeal to workers before Covid. That's gone.
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:46 am to Cosmo
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Then have a bus which would be orders of magnitude cheaper
This isn’t about effectiveness or economics. This is about paying off donors with an absolute monstrosity of a bill that will never be audited or accounted for.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:49 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Commuter rail isn’t it
it's honestly alarming how many incredibly dumb backwards thinking people there are on this website
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:55 am to rocket31
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it's honestly alarming how many incredibly dumb backwards thinking people there are on this website
Ok I’ll play.
Neither NOLA nor BR are walking cities. Neither are any of the suburbs meaning you still need to own a vehicle with insurance to go too and from the stations. Add to the fact that you will have to pay for parking at the station like you do at an airport and will have to pay more for a train ticket than you would have to pay in gas for commuting (if they actually want this to not be a losing proposition), the train doesn’t make economic sense for an individual to take regularly for work.
There are other, much more pressing needs that would impact and help dramatically more tax payers like repairing bridges, Widening the interstates, Shoring up electrical systems, upgrading internet wires, etc
That all would help our infrastructure so much more than wasting billions on what will be a rarely used commuter rail. If this was upgrading industrial rail for more efficient and effective freight movement/reduce the number of long haul big rigs, frick yeah, sign me up.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:56 am to rocket31
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it's honestly alarming how many incredibly dumb backwards thinking people there are on this website
Sooooo....tell us wise one what we should do about the existing infrastructure across the country that has suffered from years of neglect and mismanagement? We get a new train, though....that's cool.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:59 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Ok I’ll play.
Neither NOLA nor BR are walking cities. Neither are any of the suburbs meaning you still need to own a vehicle with insurance to go too and from the stations. Add to the fact that you will have to pay for parking at the station like you do at an airport and will have to pay more for a train ticket than you would have to pay in gas for commuting (if they actually want this to not be a losing proposition), the train doesn’t make economic sense for an individual to take regularly for work.
There are other, much more pressing needs that would impact and help dramatically more tax payers like repairing bridges, Widening the interstates, Shoring up electrical systems, upgrading internet wires, etc
That all would help our infrastructure so much more than wasting billions on what will be a rarely used commuter rail. If this was upgrading industrial rail for more efficient and effective freight movement/reduce the number of long haul big rigs, frick yeah, sign me up.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:00 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Correct
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:07 pm to member12
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I know the rail link is controversial in of itself, but I'd rather the feds shovel money into infrastructure than most of the other nonsense they spend on. Unfortunately a lot of the "infrastructure" bill won't benefit America's infrastructure.
Use the money on a bridge
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:08 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Neither NOLA nor BR are walking cities.
You can walk from Bywater to far Uptown in a little over an hour. That cover 3/4 of the city anyone would want to visit.
And the train would drop you dead center at the hub of all the other transit lines.
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If this was upgrading industrial rail for more efficient and effective freight movement/reduce the number of long haul big rigs, frick yeah, sign me up.
Well, we will sign you up. Because this is what it is about.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:10 pm to member12
Texas is building high speed bullet trains while Louisiana is building rail roads
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:10 pm to fightin tigers
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You can walk from Bywater to far Uptown in a little over an hour. That cover 3/4 of the city anyone would want to visit.
Does anyone actually do that though?
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Well, we will sign you up. Because this is what it is about. This post was edited on
Commuter rail lines are about increasing/optimizing freight movement?
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:11 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Yes.
In this case it is. It always has been.
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Commuter rail lines are about increasing/optimizing freight movement?
In this case it is. It always has been.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:12 pm to member12
I can 100% without a doubt say with confidence, that Louisiana will frick this up.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:13 pm to member12
$80b for the whole country?
The one in California costs that much.
The one in California costs that much.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:14 pm to wileyjones
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gonna need a few million for a study or two first
The days of building something like a basin bridge or causeway in the US are well behind us.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:20 pm to The Boat
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Amtrak doesn’t stop like that
They may not stop at MSY, but Amtrak does provide service smaller tows and suburban locations on their other lines. The problem is frequency of trains.
But if they are upgrading/doubling up on the tracks and building platforms for passenger rail, commuter trains could use the same infrastructure and offer more frequent service....although it would likely have more stops and thus be slower.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:24 pm to member12
I had a former coworker who commuted from BR to Nola every day for work. I thought this person was insane. The job definitely wasn't worth it. However, if you are talking about a train that can get you from BR to Nola faster than the horrendous drive, then it might be something people use. I wouldn't mind riding a train from Nola for LSU sporting events. Get off the train and take an Uber where you need to go. It's not a terrible idea, but like others have said, good luck ever seeing the politicians actually get this done, or done in a good way.
More interesting, really disturbing, is the Biden administration's specific plan to demolish the Pontchartrain Expressway running along the CBD by Claiborne. This idea is absolutely insane, and is based on nothing more than social justice nostalgia. Doing this literally would not have one positive benefit for the city, and would create all kinds of traffic flow nightmares.
More interesting, really disturbing, is the Biden administration's specific plan to demolish the Pontchartrain Expressway running along the CBD by Claiborne. This idea is absolutely insane, and is based on nothing more than social justice nostalgia. Doing this literally would not have one positive benefit for the city, and would create all kinds of traffic flow nightmares.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:25 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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This might be the only thing the Dems want that I can get behind.
Trump acknowledged the need for a large infrastructure effort early in his term but he never followed through. Every honest person, left or right, acknowledges the need to do this kind of work.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:30 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Easier said than done. Those existing routes are used heavily by the class 1 railroads for industrial shipments that will likely take priority over commuter trains. In my view, only a high speed train between New Orleans and Baton Rouge would have a chance of being a viable alternative for commuters.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:32 pm to TBoy
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Every honest person, left or right, acknowledges the need to do this kind of work.
If by "this kind of work" you are referring to a needless train, then I don't agree.
If by "this kind of work" you mean at least making an effort to fix the 54,259 bridges across the country that have been deemed "structurally deficient", I agree.
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