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re: New Covid restrictions from CDC based off of study from “Bear week”
Posted on 7/31/21 at 6:53 am to RobbBobb
Posted on 7/31/21 at 6:53 am to RobbBobb
i would assume they do have more data than that. but they made a sweeping policy recommendation for the entire country regarding mask mandates. why did they not present their data or findings? where is it?
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Posted on 7/31/21 at 7:06 am to BRIllini07
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800 cases after a full week of 250,000 dudes grinding on each other kinda proves the vaccines work. Someone else was pointing out that it's statistically likely that many are HIV+ and immune compromised in that group as wel
74% of the cases being in vaccinated proves that the vaccine works???
That’s enough internet for today...
Posted on 7/31/21 at 7:23 am to BugAC
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News flash, gay men KISS when they have sex
You don’t have to tell me.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 7:46 am to rocket31
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fun bunch will not like this data will he
‘Once we get the vaccine the dictators will let us have our lives back’
Posted on 7/31/21 at 7:52 am to TaderSalad
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74% of the cases being in vaccinated proves that the vaccine works???
That’s enough internet for today...
If the vast majority were just minor symptoms then what does that say.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:05 am to BugAC
Wait a minute, you’re saying the CDC and bumble joe/chin food eater would lie to us all for political reasons and most media and Covid restriction lovin people would believe it…………..Hmmmmm.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:10 am to rocket31
Wrong.
Pfizer is estimated 80% effective at preventing symptomatic infection for detla.
360 vaccinated dudes over a weekend with thousands of them sucking each other off all week is a feather in the vaccines cap. The reason most of the cases occurred in vaccinated people is likely because most of the people were infact vaccinated at “bear week” given Democrats are likely to uptake the vaccine at an 85% clip.
Some of you are really bad at interpreting numbers of scale.
Pfizer is estimated 80% effective at preventing symptomatic infection for detla.
360 vaccinated dudes over a weekend with thousands of them sucking each other off all week is a feather in the vaccines cap. The reason most of the cases occurred in vaccinated people is likely because most of the people were infact vaccinated at “bear week” given Democrats are likely to uptake the vaccine at an 85% clip.
Some of you are really bad at interpreting numbers of scale.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 8:12 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:19 am to BugAC
I’m vaccinated and personally couldn’t care less if I test positive. The vaccine is about keeping me out of the hospital. Hospitalizations, and who makes up that population is all that matters.
This virus will obviously never go away. After all these stupid lockdowns, mask mandates, etc., we will end up “fighting” this virus by developing ways to keep it from killing you. And whether you like it or not, the most effective way will most likely always be a vaccine. That said, no, of course it shouldn’t be mandated by any government entity, government controlled entity, or government funded entity.
This virus will obviously never go away. After all these stupid lockdowns, mask mandates, etc., we will end up “fighting” this virus by developing ways to keep it from killing you. And whether you like it or not, the most effective way will most likely always be a vaccine. That said, no, of course it shouldn’t be mandated by any government entity, government controlled entity, or government funded entity.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:21 am to Tiguar
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Pfizer is estimated 80% effective at preventing symptomatic infection for detla.
The message of if your symptomatic minimize social interaction no matter your vaccine status should be the message. IMO, the 20% symptomatic vaccinated are contributing bc they continue to go about their business as if nothing is wrong.
Also the 20% theory just seems like it could be low bc honestly how many vaccinated people would get tested if they have minor symptoms? I know I wouldn’t. I am also assuming the 20% is based on testing data which I guess could be wrong.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:29 am to STEVED00
Sorta, but the 20% is compared in a controlled trial against unvaccinated.
So, if the vaccinated people are less likely to seek testing because they just don’t feel sick, then it’s still relevant because the unvaccinated in that case felt sick enough to seek testing.
The study wasn’t to assess transmission but rather vaccine efficacy at preventing symptomatic infection. A study specifically assessing transmission would be interesting but difficult (or impossible) to do.
So, if the vaccinated people are less likely to seek testing because they just don’t feel sick, then it’s still relevant because the unvaccinated in that case felt sick enough to seek testing.
The study wasn’t to assess transmission but rather vaccine efficacy at preventing symptomatic infection. A study specifically assessing transmission would be interesting but difficult (or impossible) to do.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:29 am to BugAC
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Dates for Bear Week Provincetown 2021 are July 10th, 2021 to July 18th, 2021
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:36 am to BugAC
Just shut up and wear the mask, science denier
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:42 am to Tiguar
Agree. I think the unvaccinated are quicker to assume their symptoms are Covid related then vaccinated people so I could see both sides skewed bc of it.
Thanks. Just seems we are very quick to pick vaccinated vs unvaccinated; however, people really should be cognizant of symptomatic vs asymptomatic. Is an asymptomatic unvaccinated person high risk for transmission? Unless they are swapping fluids at a large gathering then it doesn’t appear they are at least from what I have read.
Also my understanding is that you are in the thick of this outbreak so is there anything that jumps out to you among the unvaccinated that come in? Do they have weight issues, are they smokers/vapers, are they deficient in certain nutritional levels, or does it appear to be affecting healthier folks as well? Also how many of the unvaccinated were people who previously had Covid?
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The study wasn’t to assess transmission but rather vaccine efficacy at preventing symptomatic infection. A study specifically assessing transmission would be interesting but difficult (or impossible) to do.
Thanks. Just seems we are very quick to pick vaccinated vs unvaccinated; however, people really should be cognizant of symptomatic vs asymptomatic. Is an asymptomatic unvaccinated person high risk for transmission? Unless they are swapping fluids at a large gathering then it doesn’t appear they are at least from what I have read.
Also my understanding is that you are in the thick of this outbreak so is there anything that jumps out to you among the unvaccinated that come in? Do they have weight issues, are they smokers/vapers, are they deficient in certain nutritional levels, or does it appear to be affecting healthier folks as well? Also how many of the unvaccinated were people who previously had Covid?
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:50 am to Tiguar
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Wrong
no I'm right
they said pfizer was 97%, then 90%, now it's 80%
now they're saying that the vaccinations will not stop the variants from mutating and might even make it worse.
some of you do not understand longitudinal trends and it's becoming beyond embarrassing
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:52 am to STEVED00
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Just seems we are very quick to pick vaccinated vs unvaccinated; however, people really should be cognizant of symptomatic vs asymptomatic. Is an asymptomatic unvaccinated person high risk for transmission? Unless they are swapping fluids at a large gathering then it doesn’t appear they are at least from what I have read.
yup.
bottom line is that no one knows yet but they sure like to pretend that they do
my theory is that if the vax works (mild symptoms), it's causing more contagious variants but that's tbd -
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 9:00 am
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:00 am to rocket31
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will not stop the variants from mutating and might even make it worse.
I’ve read this as a theoretical possibility but is there any basis in reality? Do we have a super chicken pox now that there is a vaccine or super mumps?
Just wondering if this has ever happened and why it would happen now. Is it corona specific?
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:09 am to STEVED00
The profile of patients is different this wave.
Mostly younger patients instead of old ones, but here are the caveats:
Older, at risk people (>50 years old) have a very high vaccine uptake rate.
The younger people we are seeing are not showing up at a higher rate than last year, they are just basically the only people showing up with a few exceptions here and there.
In this last week, we’ve admitted something around 40 covid patients. The same profile of younger people as last year:
Obese, diabetic, otherwise questionable health.
Probably about 8~ of those were vaccine breakthroughs. 7 of the 8 were J&J. None of the vaccine breakthroughs are in the ICU or at very high risk of deterioration, they just need oxygen.
Mostly younger patients instead of old ones, but here are the caveats:
Older, at risk people (>50 years old) have a very high vaccine uptake rate.
The younger people we are seeing are not showing up at a higher rate than last year, they are just basically the only people showing up with a few exceptions here and there.
In this last week, we’ve admitted something around 40 covid patients. The same profile of younger people as last year:
Obese, diabetic, otherwise questionable health.
Probably about 8~ of those were vaccine breakthroughs. 7 of the 8 were J&J. None of the vaccine breakthroughs are in the ICU or at very high risk of deterioration, they just need oxygen.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:10 am to rocket31
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I'm also not sure why this thread is anchored
Inconvenient facts for the masked covidians, apparently.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:13 am to BugAC
well I don't think either way has the facts on their side yet so that's why it's interesting to talk about 
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