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re: New B-52 engines will keep em flying for 100 years.

Posted on 5/1/20 at 7:15 am to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 7:15 am to
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My grandfather flew these in WWII and several years afterwards. He was part of the Berlin airlift and a whole bunch of other crazy bombing missions.


Your grandfather flew either a B-17, B-24, or if he flew bomber missions over Japan during the war he may have down a B-29.
Posted by TigerNlc
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 7:30 am to
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:52 am to
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f so, a rendering is one thing but reality is another as it remains to be seen whether or not the airframe and the wings can support that much weight and maintain enough clearance between the engine and the ground.

My question exactly.

Think about the issues Boeing had with trying to get the weight balance right on an engine change for an existing platform.

This is not necessarily an easy endeavor to update an old airframe with new engines.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 8:55 am
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:05 am to
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This is not necessarily an easy endeavor to update an old airframe with new engines.
Weight and balance is important but if the can remove the water burner A model motors and shove CFM56 motors onto the KC135 fleet to include EC and RC135s this too can be done.
Posted by Koach K
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:46 am to
Wonder if intergranular corrosion shares your enthusiasm?
Posted by greenwave
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:28 am to
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any other president would just sign a blank check and say go build something completely new, trump asks why we cant just change engines?


This has been a thing for a long time. Look at the Blackhawk/ Chinook.... 100 year platforms..

Posted by slacker130
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:47 pm to
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Best flying machine ever made and it isn't even close



Debatable. C-130s have been in constant production since 1954. C-130s do a broader mission set than a B-52 and even drops a bigger conventional bomb than a B-52. B-52s are an impressive 2nd.

Re-engining a 60 year old airframe just shows how broken the procurement process is.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:50 pm to
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The new engines could allow a B-52 to fly to any point on Earth without refueling.


Nope. The new engines will be anywhere between 20-40% more efficient than the current ones, but nowhere close to providing that type of range.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:54 pm to
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What kind of engine are we talking about here?


Will still be 8 engines on the jet. The 4 engines in the competition are the Pratt & Whitney PW800, the GE CF 34-10, the GE Passport, and the Rolls Royce BR-725.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:59 pm to
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the military has a budget and they decide how to spend it, not the president.


That’s not how it works at all. We submit our budget request to the OMB (part of the Executive branch) who works with the president’s staff including the NSC to develop the President’s Budget Request. That is then submitted to Congress and they develop the NDAA and the Defense Appropriations bill. So actually, Congress has the most power in this process.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:03 pm to
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Is there any scrap of that plane that is actually original?


The airframe is all original and there are a lot of original sub components.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:04 pm to
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B-52

Big
Ugly
Flying
Fucker
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:08 pm to
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Will still be 8 engines on the jet. The 4 engines in the competition are the Pratt & Whitney PW800, the GE CF 34-10, the GE Passport, and the Rolls Royce BR-725.



So we're looking at engines they use on regional commuter jets? Probably about 15,000 to 20,000 pounds of thrust each?
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:23 pm to
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Best flying machine ever made and it isn't even close



The B-52 is a great plane but it's nowhere near as influential, iconic and famous as the Boeing 747.

The 747 is the plane that completely revolutionized air travel and truly shrunk the world and connected so many people in so many countries. It's advanced commerce and trade carrying massive amounts of economic goods, made even more knowledge seeking possible, eased spiritual journeys, carried out humanitarian missions, and safely transported our political leaders.

Furthermore, it's been flying strong for 50 years and while its passengers days will be done in the next few years, it still has a good future as a freighter as cargo companies love it.





Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:25 pm to
Yep. Trying to stay close to the current thrust rating which is 17,000 lbs per engine. Much less than that and we degrade our max takeoff weight. Too much more would require major structural changes to the engine pylons and wings.
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
2051 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:25 pm to
Close. It’s Big Ugly Fat fricker.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:39 pm to
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Yep. Trying to stay close to the current thrust rating which is 17,000 lbs per engine. Much less than that and we degrade our max takeoff weight. Too much more would require major structural changes to the engine pylons and wings.
A buddy of mine tells me part of the issue with high bypass fans is a tail redesign may be needed?
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 1:43 pm to
B-52's had a very unique whistling sound, we could feel the repercussions from the bombs miles away.

But the most destructive was napalm "crispy critters"
Posted by FlyingTiger06
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2004
2051 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 2:02 pm to
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the issue with high bypass fans is a tail redesign may be needed?


Not necessarily high bypass, but large high thrust engines yes. The rudder is not big enough to deal with the asymmetric thrust that would result from one of the outboard engines going out. Plus, you'd have to implement an auto-rudder system in case of that engine out scenario happening during takeoff. A pilot wouldn't be able to react fast enough to prevent the sudden yaw which would result in the aircraft departing the runway. At high gross weights a jet running off the runway into the dirt/grass would result in the landing gear starting to sink into the dirt and then sheering off. Lots of really bad things start to happen at that point.

They had to re-design the rudder and add an auto-rudder system for the KC-135 when they upgraded their engines years ago. We can't afford the price tag for what that would take on the B-52.
Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 4:07 pm to
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My grandfather flew these in WWII and several years afterwards. He was part of the Berlin airlift and a whole bunch of other crazy bombing missions.


That's amazing!!!

Which technique did your time travelling ancestor use to get a vehicle made in the 1960's into the 1940's? Also, how did he bribe the temporal police into looking the other way as he violated history?
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