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Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:38 pm to fightin tigers
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Upholding capitalism.
Less government regulation over private companies.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:40 pm to fightin tigers
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Can you give me an example. Since there are millions affected.
Phifedog did it for me.
But here is a chart with info from the FCC.
At 28%, that's about 84 million Americans with 1 option. 117 million have only 2 options. I wish I could find more recent numbers, but you get the idea.
If you have only Time Warner and Comcast for options, you're dealing with NBC and CNN. If your believe in the liberal media conspiracy, then you better hope you're are wrong. Because if they are anti conservative and malicious, then you're advocating giving your enemies more power and influence.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:40 pm to bmy
Ask California how deregulating electricity worked out for them. I believe Skilling is still in prison.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:42 pm to northshorebamaman
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Wasn't Comcast caught throttling Netflix?
Beat me by seconds. And I found Verizon doing it. But I'm sure Comcast did the same.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:42 pm to CCTider
I already provided one. Just about every major city in this country has at least 2 big time ISPs. If some ISP tries to do some clown shite with bundling, we might start to see actual competition for who can be the best rather than who can suck the least.
I get that some areas have 1 ISP, but ISPs aren't going to base their big decisions off of small population centers.
I also made mention of how I feel like Amazon, Google, Reddit, have become too powerful for their own good. Where are the regulations imposed on them?
I get that some areas have 1 ISP, but ISPs aren't going to base their big decisions off of small population centers.
I also made mention of how I feel like Amazon, Google, Reddit, have become too powerful for their own good. Where are the regulations imposed on them?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:43 pm to LucasP
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It's a first amendment issue. If the ISP can't control what you're allowed to see then it infringes on their freedom of speech. Get on board.
Nice sarcasm but I'm alot more wary of the government (a true monopoly) than I am of ISPs. Have you ever heard of the Fairness Doctrine? A great example of govt (of both parties) stifling free speech and screwing us in the name of "fairness".
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:44 pm to fightin tigers
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So you want the internet, or at least ISPs, to be a public utility.
It is a utility. But i'd be happy with just stopping at "all packets must be treated equally".
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:46 pm to fightin tigers
They're not in it for the money right now. They're in it for the power. They've lost the narrative at this point. 20 years ago you'd have to go through the MSM to break a story. Now all you need is a camera phone and YouTube. Now everyone is journalist, and they don't like it. They are actively trying to turn YouTube into a cable service that you're subscribed to and making the net not as accessible. They want to turn the internet into Cable 2.0. They really don't give a shite about the cash when power is on the line.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:47 pm to CCTider
So only one provider that supplies over 10mbps.
Pretty much third world there.
Pretty much third world there.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:47 pm to DrSteveBrule
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I also made mention of how I feel like Amazon, Google, Reddit, have become too powerful for their own good
and these corporations will become even more powerful without NN, you realize that, right?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:47 pm to DrSteveBrule
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If some ISP tries to do some clown shite with bundling, we might start to see actual competition for who can be the best rather than who can suck the least.
That or you have one ISP with channels 1-50 and another ISP with channels 50-100 so you have to pick which content you want and you can never have both. They'll just divide up the spectrum so they're not actually in competition.
Or you have both ISPs provide you with a list of websites they promote and you have no way to access the rest of the internet.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:48 pm to CCTider
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Beat me by seconds. And I found Verizon doing it. But I'm sure Comcast did the same.
Again, what were they censoring?
And Netflix paid Comcast for preferred treatment. So NN had no bearing on this.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:49 pm to CCTider
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Beyond limiting access to what you're allowed to see, it throttling websites to make them unusable. By forcing companies to pay money to be in a fast lane, it will hurt innovation by small start ups. Only the current big companies will be sure to afford the fees.
If every isp followed that protocol, I could see it becoming a problem. However, there would probably be some isp's that are eager for new customers and would not would not do this.
In addition, the "large" corporations would probably have an issue trying to pay every isp to speed up their content.
With that said, I do not see the harm in making sure it does not happen.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:50 pm to bmy
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Tell me more about how start-ups can break into the ISP business. Google couldn't do it with near unlimited resources.
They couldn't do it in Boulder, CO, where they're about to build a Google campus and everyone was in favor of it. Again, while having unlimited resources. A small time ISP doesn't have a prayer.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:50 pm to BHM
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However, there would probably be some isp's that are eager for new customers and would not would not do this.
I assume everyone who says things like this do not understand what an ISP is or how they work or how a new ISP would start up.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:51 pm to bmy
In the simplest way possible look at it this way, are you happy with Comcast/Cox/Tw/Att? How is there customer service? Do they have a good number of options of different plans? Are they reliable? Are there competitors in your area to choose from?
I'd say that most people would have negative responses.
And if that's the case why would you support there desperate efforts to implement whatever policy it is they want?
And do honestly believe that whatever benefits they say they'll gain from this they'll pass those benefits on to you? Will they take there increased profits and slash their prices? Will they take that money and improve their customer service and tech help?
Come on.
I'd say that most people would have negative responses.
And if that's the case why would you support there desperate efforts to implement whatever policy it is they want?
And do honestly believe that whatever benefits they say they'll gain from this they'll pass those benefits on to you? Will they take there increased profits and slash their prices? Will they take that money and improve their customer service and tech help?
Come on.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:51 pm to fightin tigers
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Can you name 1 benefit to the American consumers on removing net neutrality?
Upholding capitalism.
Less government regulation over private companies.
All this argument will do is eventually make the internet a public utility...then we all win.
Real talk. You have to see where this is ideology overcoming logic. There are places where free markets are awesome and there are places where socialism is necessary. This "frick the government I want people with money in charge" attitude is dangerous.
Yeah government control sucks but it helps sometimes too. We can't have police, fire departments and all kinds of other important things without a state.
Try and think about this instead of spouting mantras like "regulations bad". You're a thinking person, think.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:52 pm to Breesus
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I assume everyone who says things like this do not understand what an ISP is or how they work or how a new ISP would start up.
You're being too generous. They just simply do not understand how the internet works at all.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:55 pm to LucasP
indeed, if you believe that free competition is good then you should support NN, because without it a few large companies will be able to distort the enormous number of other markets that depend on a neutral playing field
the decision is:
a) do we want a few rules directed at a tiny number of oligarchical corporations, or
b) do we want to see distortion in the thousands of other markets that depend on the internet for their businesses (this is tigerdroppings btw)
the decision is:
a) do we want a few rules directed at a tiny number of oligarchical corporations, or
b) do we want to see distortion in the thousands of other markets that depend on the internet for their businesses (this is tigerdroppings btw)
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:56 pm
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