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re: Net neutrality devil's advocate
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:26 pm to PhifeDogg
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:26 pm to PhifeDogg
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Without giving my address, I live in a place where Charter is my only option. And Charter sucks fricking dick.
Charter provides internet and phone?
Or just no high speed internet except through charter?
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:27 pm to DrSteveBrule
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You're basically just parroting everything I've seen on Reddit today, including graphics. That graphic is straight up fear mongering. It's like saying that just because I can light my house on fire I'll do it.
That graphic is worst case scenario for potential bundling. It's meant to prove a point, in what would be allowed. And I've heard and read everything I've said from didn't sources over the last few months. I've never seen or read anything that shows a benefit to Americans by removing NN.
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Just because an ISP can bundle sites in packages doesn't mean they'll do it. As soon as they do, they pave the way for competition in their regions. Companies like Cox have worked for years to buy out competition in their regions, why would they give it right back?
This seems to contradict itself. If Cox has bought up all the competition in an area, then how can anyone in that region switch? If they have a monopoly, they can do whatever they want. And by removing the law, they'll be legally allowed to bundle and censor.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:27 pm to OMLandshark
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You are extremely naive.
Remember when unlimited data was a thing of the past. No one would ever offer it again.
I think Verizon broke first and everyone had to follow.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:28 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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Hum... why don't we have TV neutrality?
We do.
Cox can't decide to give you CNN at full HD and fox with no audio and scrambled porn video.
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Why can't I just tune to a specific channel and contract with that channel directly like I do with Netflix?
You can. That's exactly how HBO, showtime, etc... Work.
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Why does the cable company get to charge those channels for "fast lanes"
That's not at all what the fast lane analogy is.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:29 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Charters my only internet option.
Charter provides internet and phone?
I can get either AT&T or Charter phone service, but not AT&T DSL.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:29 pm to AUCE05
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AUCE05
What CCTider said. Also, ISPs don't want to be forced to upgrade infrastructure for internet, and have profits regulated. I would be fine with paying a reasonable price for what I use. On the flip side, I want access to gig speed for cheap like in other countries, and ISPs have to get permission for rate increases like we do other utilities in this country.
You see, this is a completely bipartisan issue. Liberal or conservative, Bama or Auburn, it's to every Americans benefit to have this law in place.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:30 pm to CCTider
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All net neutrality does, is Force ISPs to treat all internet traffic equally.
This is not true... No where does the law say this. This is a talking point designed to make massively complex regulation seem like no big deal.
ISPs have to make a huge number of choices about how to serve data. Allowing the FCC to micromanage those choices will drastically raise costs and destroy the small ISPs that could provide competition.
If an ISP engages in unfair trade practices as has happened a FEW times in the past, the FTC is capable of dealing with that ILLEGAL behavior.
This is a power grab to solve a nonexistent problem.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:31 pm to DrSteveBrule
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why weren't ISPs implementing content based subscription services prior to these regulations.
ATT is already doing it by not charging you data to view their partner, DirectTV.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:31 pm to DrSteveBrule
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DrSteveBrule
I have a question for you.
Can you name 1 benefit to the American consumers on removing net neutrality?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:32 pm to PhifeDogg
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I can get either AT&T or Charter phone service, but not AT&T DSL.
So you can get internet through ATT, just not the speed you want.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:34 pm to CCTider
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Can you name 1 benefit to the American consumers on removing net neutrality?
Upholding capitalism.
Less government regulation over private companies.
All this argument will do is eventually make the internet a public utility...then we all win.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:34 pm to holdem Tiger
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the small ISPs that could provide competition.
You have an example of this?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:34 pm to fightin tigers
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So you can get internet through ATT, just not the speed you want.
I guess I can get dial-up. No, that is not the speed I want.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:34 pm to DrSteveBrule
It took just 1 year after the 2015 FCC ruling that it was a telecommunication service that the average internet speed in the U.S reached 50 mb/s
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:35 pm to fightin tigers
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Can you name 1 benefit to the American consumers on removing net neutrality?
Upholding capitalism.
How'd that work out with the Old Bell phone companies?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:36 pm to Breesus
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How'd that work out with the Old Bell phone companies?
You mean how they are almost all back together now?
Assuming you are saying all the different ISP providers are a monopoly.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:36 pm to AUCE05
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I want access to gig speed for cheap like in other countries, and ISPs have to get permission for rate increases like we do other utilities in this country.
Price controls are a terrible idea outside of truly monopolistic services. I have four choices for an ISP and that number will only grow if we let the free market work.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:36 pm to fightin tigers
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Upholding capitalism.
You call what's going on in the ISP world capitalism? That's fricking retarded
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Less government regulation over private companies.
Private companies installing their infrastructure on state and public land
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:38 pm to holdem Tiger
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I have four choices for an ISP and that number will only grow if we let the free market work.
Where do you live?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:38 pm to holdem Tiger
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I have four choices for an ISP and that number will only grow if we let the free market work.
Tell me more about how start-ups can break into the ISP business. Google couldn't do it with near unlimited resources.
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