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re: Near miss between Southwest Airlines flight, private jet on runway at Midway Airport
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:53 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:53 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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atc audio is a barely intelligible guy with an indian accent
No.
This is 100% on the PJ pilot. He fricked up royally and got sent to the penalty box.
Exactly. The PJ pilot even repeated the ATC instructions to hold short of the center runway... and then crossed that runway. He screwed up big. Thankfully the Southwest pilot(s) responded quickly and called their own go-around.
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:59 pm to wileyjones
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atc audio is a barely intelligible guy with an indian
Not an Indian accent and not that hard to follow.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:59 pm to johnqpublic
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Exactly. The PJ pilot even repeated the ATC instructions to hold short of the center runway... and then crossed that runway. He screwed up big. Thankfully the Southwest pilot(s) responded quickly and called their own go-around.
It’s 100% on the flex jet pilot but it’s not as simple as it sounds. He was taxing on RWY 4L which is a huge main runway. He was told to cross 31L and hold short 31C. The confusion probably comes from the fact that 31L is a very narrow runway that is probably rarely used except for Cessnas and the like. The Flexjet crew probably didn’t even realized they had crossed 31L already. The likely thought that 31C was actually 31L and were crossing as they were instructed expecting 31C to be the next runway they encountered.
Again, it’s 100% on them and the fricked it up but I can see where the confusion was.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:05 pm to HeadCall
As George Carlin said, “It’s a near HIT”
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:08 pm to Arthur Bach
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As George Carlin said, “It’s a near HIT”
Came here to say this! If they’d crashed,it would be a near miss.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:11 pm to HeadCall
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Eh, it’s a little confusing. There is a 31L and a 31C but not a 31R. 31L is tiny runway that looks like a taxiway if you’re using 4L to taxi. Still a massive frick up but I can see how it could happen if you’re task saturated and having a bad day.
Midway is actually even more confusing than that. The runways in that section are 31L, 31C, 31R if landing from the south and 13L, 13C, 13R if landing from the north. Therefore, 31L and 13L are on opposite sides of 31/13C. I could see a scenario where the PJ pilot heard to cross 31L and read it in his head as to cross 13L. Still, not holding short of 31C is a massive frick up.
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:14 pm to TDsngumbo
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Hopefully he has his license pulled. Before everyone rushes to tell me that's an extreme reaction, suppose your wife or child was on the Southwest plane and they had collided. You'd want that pilot's arse handed to you on a silver platter.
Too many retarded IG influencer pilots out there. Not enough former navy/af guys. The profession is being taken over by mouth breathers
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:16 pm to Old Money
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oo many retarded IG influencer pilots out there. Not enough former navy/af guys.
There’s only so many Navy/Air Force guys to go around. The demand for pilots faaaarrrrrrr outweighs the military’s supply of retired aviators
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:17 pm to HeadCall
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There’s only so many Navy/Air Force guys to go around. The demand for pilots faaaarrrrrrr outweighs the military’s supply of retired aviators
Thank you captain obvious
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:19 pm to HeadCall
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It’s 100% on the flex jet pilot but it’s not as simple as it sounds.
Except it is that simple. As you say, he was told to cross 31L and hold short of 31C. It is HIS responsibility to know that 31L is narrow. HE is the pilot out there. It's not like there aren't maps and layouts of the runways he should know or... signs. Im not a pilot, but if he was coming up 4L there is a taxiway (F), runway, 31L, then 31C. Seems he'd only have to know to cross two narrow strips and stop before the big strip... He didn't. As you say 31L is narrow and 31C isn't. If he thought he was crossing 31L when it was really 31C, shouldn't it have crossed his mind that "wait... this looks WAY wider than I recall"?
Yes, he may have gotten confused, but it is simple... he screwed up. He didn't pay attention to where he was when it was his responsibility to know. The ATC even tried to tell them again to "hold short! hold short!" but was stepped on.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:25 pm to wareagle47
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Still a massive frick up but I can see how it could happen if you’re task saturated and having a bad day.
Or the Ground and Tower Controllers were not communicating with each other. Either the Ground Controller cleared Flexjet to cross the active with an aircraft over the numbers, or it was a colossal frick up by the Flexjet crew not bothering to check crossing clearance.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:28 pm to johnqpublic
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Seems he'd only have to know to cross two narrow strips and stop before the big strip
There are no hold short lines on runways.
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As you say 31L is narrow and 31C isn't. If he thought he was crossing 31L when it was really 31C, shouldn't it have crossed his mind that "wait... this looks WAY wider than I recall"?
He crossed 31L without realizing it then attempted to cross 31C thinking it was 31L as instructed. At least that’s my theory.
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Yes, he may have gotten confused, but it is simple... he screwed up. He didn't pay attention to where he was when it was his responsibility to know. The ATC even tried to tell them again to "hold short! hold short!" but was stepped on.
Yes, I’ve already said numerous times that he fricked up and it’s his fault.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:32 pm to wileyjones
I may have talked to him yesterday with ATT customer service.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:41 pm to johnqpublic
Aren't there little signs by each runway crossing?
ETA: Google maps clearly show there'are giant markings on the tarmac stating which runway is ahead. HOWEVER, there are no markings on the tarmac on the crossway this flexjet was using.
ETA: Google maps clearly show there'are giant markings on the tarmac stating which runway is ahead. HOWEVER, there are no markings on the tarmac on the crossway this flexjet was using.
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:46 pm to East Coast Band
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Aren't there little signs by each runway crossing?
Yes, red signs that say the runway number.
On taxiways there are hold short lines that are pretty obvious to pretty much any retard. Sometimes even red or green lights.
But on crossing runways there are no hold short lines, just the small red signs in the grass on the edge of the runway. The Flexjet crew was taxiing on 4L and told to cross 31L and hold short of 31C. Now, taxiing on a runway isn’t exactly an uncommon thing but it’s definitely not the norm. Now take all that into account and remember that 31L is a very skinny runway. It’s so skinny that it looks a lot like the other taxiways at Midway. I think the Flexjet crew crossed 31L thinking it was just another taxiway and then proceeded to cross what they thought was 31L as instructed but was actually 31C.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:46 pm to LarryCLE
SW cap was cool as ice.
" We're going around..."
" We're going around..."
Posted on 2/25/25 at 5:00 pm to HeadCall
How hard is it to look.
Even if he thought he was cleared.
Even if he thought he was cleared.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 5:03 pm to ProbyOne
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How hard is it to look.
It’s not.
He should have.
But some guys are more nonchalant about crossing when cleared. It’s wrong and it’s bad practice but I think that’s what happened.
Luckily the SWA crew was on their game
Posted on 2/25/25 at 5:11 pm to HeadCall
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The Flexjet crew probably didn’t even realized they had crossed 31L already. The likely thought that 31C was actually 31L and were crossing as they were instructed expecting 31C to be the next runway they encountered.
Aren't there huge signs designating the runways and taxiways?
Posted on 2/25/25 at 5:12 pm to Saintsisit
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Aren't there huge signs designating the runways and taxiways?
Addressed in my previous post above. I apologize if the jargon isn’t easy to understand. I’m trying to speak as lay as I can about it.
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