re: NE Journal of Medicine: Vaccines extremely effective vs. Delta with 2 doses, UK study

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What do you consider long term?

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I believe the standard test for approval in prospective vaccines is 5 years? That or whatever the normal not "emergency" authorization protocols are, as they have been proven to have complete information for a risk / reward decision.

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I'll take the chance I'm wrong if the payment is not getting injected with something you cant get out but cant hold anyone accountable for if you get injured.

Simple. Doing nothing adds no additional risk than I have now (risk of slope sickness), while taking experimental drugs adds risk (unknown side effects because it did not go through normal protocols) I don't think is necessary.

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If the long term risk is mental retardation then I don't think you'll have to worry, noone will notice.

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I believe the standard test for approval in prospective vaccines is 5 years?

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There is no time frame. That is what is confusing everyone one

The FDA doesnt usually say "lets wait 5 years to follow patients around to see if something pops up"

It generally takes 5 years to gather enough participants and data to hand over to the FDA

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That or whatever the normal not "emergency" authorization protocols are, as they have been proven to have complete information for a risk / reward decision.

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That should be coming out this September for Pfizer, and shortly after for Moderna

I have been parts of studies. If your labs checked out normal a single month after, that was considered done. They dont keep following you around, and then blame the cancer that comes out 3 years later on whatever you took 36 months before

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It generally takes 5 years to gather enough participants and data to hand over to the FDA

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So I choose this. Whatever tells me what could potentially happen years down the road and the rates of such events is what I require to see before I make a choice I cannot change once it is done.

People calling me stupid are fun, and time will tell who was right. I'm as prepared to be wrong and eat crow as I am to be vindicated.

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So I choose this. Whatever tells me what could potentially happen years down the road and the rates of such events is what I require to see before I make a choice I cannot change

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Do what you feel is right

I just trust the 5 year outcome of an American made vaccine over the 5 year outcome of a china made virus

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I don’t get why people are scared about long term effects of mRNA in a vaccine but not the long term effects of mRNA in a virus?

So they think The virus doesn’t have any genetic material in it?

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Perhaps they believe the natural immune system is better suited to come up with the best response to the virus.

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This is the smoothest brain take in the whole thread.

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I agree he is the most level headed of the posters who are for the vaccine. I enjoy the different viewpoint. Made me think of things from slightly different viewpoint and I always find that valuable even when I still don't agree.

Disagreements don't have to be adversarial.

I don’t think people know enough about FDA approval to really know why they should or shouldn’t care about it.

1. The emergency protocol still requires phase I -III testing. They just allow you to overlap certain phases.

2. In normal cases, Drug companies are not testing the long term effects of their drugs before they go to market. The FDA does not withhold drugs to see if they have a 10 year effectZ the process takes that long because of FDA red tape and often clinical trial fail and are redone to get the result the drug companies want.

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I agree he is the most level headed of the posters who are for the vaccine. I enjoy the different viewpoint. Made me think of things from slightly different viewpoint and I always find that valuable even when I still don't agree.

Disagreements don't have to be adversarial.

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I was originally hesitant on the vaccine, but then I decided to take it

I have the benefit of seeing data straight from a hospital system before its manipulated by any media member or politician

Covid isnt deadly, the vaccine isnt deadly, the vaccine works

Thats about as simple of terms of what I see.

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Perhaps they believe the natural immune system is better suited to come up with the best response to the virus.

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Both involve your natural immune system.

The difference is what it’s reacting to. Either a full virus or the spike proteins created by the Vaccine mRNA.