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re: NBJ/WSJ did a poll on how different generations value different things. Interesting data

Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:35 pm to
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Boomers were still fairly young during Vietnam, 1970s economic stagflation, didn’t affect their levels of patriotism


Now yes, but for those that were 15-30 in the 68-73 era there would have been far fewer that were highly patriotic.
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:35 pm to
Keep in mind this poll was done with the information gathered from the 834 idiots who answered a phone number they don't have saved
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:36 pm to
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Talk to some Vietnam veterans about that patriotism they experienced when returning and getting spat on at airports.



Patriotism doesn't mean blind loyalty.

It was shitty to blame the soldiers for the government leadership's mistakes.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:36 pm to
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1) this data confirms something interesting: it’s NOT simply that millennials don’t have kids because of money worries, it’s also a case that the very notion of parenthood/raising children is unattractive to them, regardless of finances.

What’s up with that?


Nothing. A lot of friends including myself, don't want to frick with kids. It's really simple.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:36 pm to
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Still are. I know a dude who came here as a child and fairly recently got his citizenship.

He'll frick you up if you demean his country.


I hope he doesn't own firearms if he is that prone to violence.
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:37 pm to
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it’s also a case that the very notion of parenthood/raising children is unattractive to them, regardless of finances. What’s up with that?

My wife and I would rather do other things with our time than raise kids. We would rather travel more and have nicer experiences. To each his own and certainly don't look down on those who have kids. I honestly wish it was something I desired, but I just really don't.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:38 pm to
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I hope he doesn't own firearms if he is that prone to violence.

Oh, I'm sure he does. He just prefers to use his immigrant strength on people. Years of carrying the yoke of oppression toughened him up.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:40 pm to
On 1), I say this as a Millennial: I don’t think there’s any doubt that a certain amount of ennui has set in among the generation.

On 4), I think there’s a couple of things going on there: 1. I think they’ll tend to age into it and 2. the perception of patriotism at the moment is closely tied to Trump who is, obviously, immensely unpopular among Millennials. It’d be interesting to look at that comparison 3 or 4 years ago.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:42 pm to
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Years of carrying the yoke of oppression toughened him up.


he doesn't sound like he is in control of his emotions lol
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:46 pm to
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the collapse in patriotism is interesting



It's because gen Z and millenials were taught patriotism is racist and evil.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:46 pm to
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1) this data confirms something interesting: it’s NOT simply that millennials don’t have kids because of money worries, it’s also a case that the very notion of parenthood/raising children is unattractive to them, regardless of finances. What’s up with that?


I don't think it confirms that at all.

I'd agree that millennials are less attracted to having kids vs older generations, but I firmly believe that a powerful driver for that lack of attraction is being generally broke with low probability of being anything more than nearly broke for the foreseeable future.

Student debt is a killer.
Posted by celltech1981
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:48 pm to
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It's because gen Z and millenials were taught patriotism is racist and evil.


who taught them that?
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:50 pm to
It’s expensive to have kids but will be done
Just gotta pay the nanny
Posted by roadkill
East Coast, FL
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:51 pm to
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4) the collapse in patriotism is interesting. Millennials have large numbers of first and second generation immigrants in their ranks. In the old days, immigrants were among the most patriotic. Vietnamese and Cubans are 2 powerful examples. Given that, it’s surprising that millennials don’t value patriotism.


I believe a strong contributor to the lower "patriotism" score is the past 40+ years of liberal education/indoctrination - I'm an older boomer and it was beginning when I was in high school and predominant when I was in college. And my sons had it from pre-K through their entire life.
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:53 pm to
It's likely that many millennials will change their views as they grow up and come to understand reality.

The "peace/love/don't trust anyone over 30" boomers grew up to support Reagan, overabundance, and unhindered capitalism.

"Politically Correct" Gen Xers grew up to make Ron Paul mainstream and vote for Trump.

Young people have always questioned whether they want to have kids (until they do). Many often look at religion and tradition with mockery until they realize they aren't as smart as they thought they were.

Granted, the previous 2 generations did not have the political brainwashing of an education that millennials had, but it may not be as permanent as many think.

Anyone who has to run a business, produce for profit or advancement, or appreciate rewards for innovation, risk, and genuinely hard work must abandon Left Wing ideology. It's inevitable.

Many will eventually see that the basic foundational values of the US have not only created something special here at home but continue to be an inspiration abroad (see Hong Kong).

No intelligent person with any ability for independent thought can buy into the media and academic narratives spun by out of touch, ideological bullshite artists anymore. At least not beyond early adulthood.

The US has seen a few Leftward swings since the onset of the 20th century. In all cases, they preceded several decades of renewed conservatism and heightened patriotism.

Similar concerns abounded in the early to mid 70s as younger people mocked the Founding Fathers and celebrated anti capitalist ideas and identity politics (Find and stream Network (1975) if you don't believe me)

A few years later, we entered a period where one of the most popular children's toy lines was America's daring, highly trained special mission force. It's purpose? to defend human freedom against Cobra, a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world (aka global communism).

It'll be alright. One day it will end, but many generations of hardass bastards created a solid foundation for this country to thrive. A minority percentage of one pampered generation can't break it.


Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:54 pm to
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A minority percentage of one pampered generation can't break it.



Everyone born after 1945 has had a relatively pampered existence in this country.
Posted by smil3432
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2016
379 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:56 pm to
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Younger generations love to accuse the olds of intolerance, but the data in this survey shows not much of a difference in value of tolerating others


Maybe this is true, but also I can’t imagine many people being 100% honest when being asked, “Are you intolerant of others?”
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3559 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:58 pm to
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It was shitty to blame the soldiers for the government leadership's mistakes.


no... thats not what was going on...

Think of it like some of the "Hippies" were the precursor to Antifa and they considered anyone in a uniform baby killers and mass murderers...

that was what was happening there....
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:58 pm to
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Many will eventually see that the basic foundational values of the US have not only created something special here at home but continue to be an inspiration abroad (see Hong Kong).

Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:59 pm to
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Anyone who has to run a business, produce for profit or advancement, or appreciate rewards for innovation, risk, and genuinely hard work must abandon Left Wing ideology. It's inevitable.



You do realize there are literally thousands of successful business owners that are very liberal and embrace left wing policy, right?

The rest of your post is riddled with small world thinking, but didn't feel like addressing all of it.
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